I haven't been very involved in Pharo 8, but its great to hear of your positive experience. To grow Pharo its important to be able to reference positive stories from the trenches. Thanks for sharing. cheers -ben On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 at 03:08, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin@gmail.com> wrote:

I am in the midst of a very long term, in my spare time, project written in Pharo 7.

I have at times been very frustrated with various problems. Images becoming unstable. Images crashing. Images crashing and unopenable after crashing. With seeming loss of code not yet committed. Images very unstable with memory greater than 500mb. The larger the worse. I regularly have images that exceed 1gb. It is without effort to grow images to such size. These images would increasingly become unstable, slow and unresponsive. They frequently would crash. I would have to reopen, save or commit my code and then open a new image and import my code. So I read threads speaking about large images with great interest.

However, I persisted as I have a significant amount of code dedicated to this project. Currently approximately 120 classes. Some of which are private or proprietary. Over 70 public when I have cleaned up my mess and get ready to release. And many still to be written.

As I persist, I also look around at my options. There are few things I would even consider for a rewrite.

I this week decided to persist in my attempt to move to Pharo 8. I generally prefer to use the latest stable. However, the first use cause an error in saving an image which I did not understand and did not persist through.

Currently I name my images for this project as such SmallTrader-0.00.image as a base image setup like I want. I open up such image and "Save As" and it automatically increments to the biggest number in the folder such as SmallTrader-0.59.image. Then I update with the latest code. However Pharo 8 generated an error (#+ was sent to nil) when doing "Save As" from an image named SmallTrader-8.000.image. So I decided to keep on with Pharo 7. However, this week I decided not to let that stop me and I simply renamed my image to something Pharo 8 did not complain about, SmallTrader-8-00.image and it now "Save As" renames to SmallTrader-8-00.1.image.

Now, I am not writing this email to complain. But rather to praise. Once I got going on Pharo 8 this week with the latest stable VM and Image, it has seemed to be very stable and solid. I just ran a backtest and had naively did not pay attention to my backtest settings. The image ran the backtest perfectly, without problem. It was stable and consistently performant. After it completed I decided to look at the OS System Monitor to check how much memory it was consuming because it had opened up 252 inspect windows with a dictionary of several thousand objects each. It was effortlessly sitting at 5.7gb and was nicely responsive in the UI. I later nil'd the object in the Playground and did a Smalltalk garbageCollect, and it shrank down to 400mb. Nice!

Wow. Great job guys. I am impressed. I am exceptionally pleased.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

This makes me less afraid to use other time series data which run up my memory greatly. I would be reading in over 2gb of csv files to create my objects to operate upon. Previously it made the image incredibly unstable and unusable. I look forward to giving it a try.

I just wanted to give you guys and gals (should there be any) a tremendous thank you and praise report. I am greatly encouraged to persist in my use of Pharo. And at the same time greatly encouraged to not look elsewhere because no need. Pharo is meeting my needs with reasonable performance and stability.

I look forward to being productively active using Pharo 8 and look forward to the bright future Pharo 9 and beyond hold.

Thanks again for this amazing language and environment. I hope someday to be able to repay the blessing I have received from all who have contributed to what I enjoy today.

Jimmie Houchin