Hi Sanjai, Have you tried Telepharo ? https://github.com/pharo-ide/TelePharo <https://github.com/pharo-ide/TelePharo> Hth, Cédrick

Le 18 avr. 2020 à 19:41, Sanjay Minni <sm@planage.com> a écrit :

probably this earlier thread http://forum.world.st/Pharo-7-RFB-td5089434.html on RFB / VNC - remote access to graphical user interface is related.

How to set it up in the situation below

Sanjay Minni wrote

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Hi,

I am using a Windows 10 local machine and digitalocean ubuntu server droplet - how can I run pharo 8 remotedly in the windows 10 inbuilt powershell ssh terminal - or any other method

(I have successfully executed # ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startDefaultOn: 8080' and connected from my local machine)

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Hi Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10 to a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images and got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and can share how to step by step if anybody is interested. (note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome - as SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app) Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a seaside server running. Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout from the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that the most stable and resource optimised way further: is Apache recommended ----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:

Hi,

Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.

My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or management app).

Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).

Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.

Pharo is very good at this.

Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make your life much easier. Here is a short example: stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8 stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$ cd pharo8 stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed 100 3054 100 3054 0 0 67866 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 69409 Downloading the latest 80 Image: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip Pharo.image Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip pharo-vm/pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' & [1] 84125 nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out' stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606 stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs [1]+ Running nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' & stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1 [1]+ Terminated nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out (systemctl services being the pro/real way)

The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfu...

Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.

I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.

Sven

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On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni <sm@planage.com> wrote:

Hi

Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10 to a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images and got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and can share how to step by step if anybody is interested.

(note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome - as SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)

Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a seaside server running. Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout from the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that the most stable and resource optimised way

further: is Apache recommended

----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

On 16 May 2020, at 11:15, Sanjay Minni <sm@planage.com> wrote:

Can I run this way the same image which otherwise runs fine thru the graphical environment

When I run that image in graphical environment it immediately starts as the application server. So cwould it work from the command line tools without changes.

...$ ... ...$ nohup ./pharo <myPharo.imageWithCompletePath>

In principle, yes. But I recommend to not have running servers/services in the saved image, but instead to save (better auto build) a new clean image with nothing open (close all windows), nothing running, just your code. And then use a startup script. Either use a run.st file which does all the work, or a class side 'MyStart startForProduction'. Please read the book chapter.

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote

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On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe <

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sven@

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> wrote:

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Hi,

Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.

My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or management app).

Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).

Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.

Pharo is very good at this.

Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make your life much easier.

Here is a short example:

stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8

stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$ cd pharo8

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed 100 3054 100 3054 0 0 67866 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 69409 Downloading the latest 80 Image: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip Pharo.image Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip pharo-vm/pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' & [1] 84125 nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs [1]+ Running nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' &

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1 [1]+ Terminated nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090'

BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out (systemctl services being the pro/real way)

...

The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfu...

Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.

I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.

Sven

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On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni <

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sm@

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> wrote:

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Hi

Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10 to a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images and got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and can share how to step by step if anybody is interested.

(note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome - as SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)

Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a seaside server running. Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout from the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that the most stable and resource optimised way

further: is Apache recommended

----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Hi Sanjay, When you do a metacello configuration or baseline install with the command line tools, the image is saved automatically at the end (if the load is successful). My current approach is described here https://github.com/svenvc/minimal-pharo-server-tools which is a newer version of https://github.com/svenvc/pharo-server-tools Much of this goes beyond Pharo and requires some Unix/Linux knowledge, but it is all standard stuff. Sven

On 17 May 2020, at 18:39, Sanjay Minni <sm@planage.com> wrote:

@Sven,

(While going thru the book ".../DeployForProduction...")

seems section 1 & 2 would have to be updated ...

In section 3 Build Your Image ... what is the script for installing dependencies from github and having a Baseline (instead of Configuration) as practically all packages have moved to Github

and In this method it seems the image is never saved / persistent. In the event of a stoppage it begins ground up. Is that correct ?

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote

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On 16 May 2020, at 11:15, Sanjay Minni <

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sm@

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> wrote:

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Can I run this way the same image which otherwise runs fine thru the graphical environment

When I run that image in graphical environment it immediately starts as the application server. So cwould it work from the command line tools without changes.

...$ ... ...$ nohup ./pharo

<myPharo.imageWithCompletePath> In principle, yes.

But I recommend to not have running servers/services in the saved image, but instead to save (better auto build) a new clean image with nothing open (close all windows), nothing running, just your code. And then use a startup script.

Either use a run.st file which does all the work, or a class side 'MyStart startForProduction'.

Please read the book chapter.

...

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote

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On 16 May 2020, at 09:22, Sven Van Caekenberghe <

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sven@

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> wrote:

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Hi,

Everybody is free to do whatever they want, of course.

My advice would be to not use graphical tools to deploy server applications (unless as add ons afterwards, like a dashboard or management app).

Use Linux (Ubuntu is the safest choice).

Stick with headless (no gui) command line tools.

Pharo is very good at this.

Also use 64-bit (that is 64-bit Pharo on 64-bit Linux), it will make your life much easier.

Here is a short example:

stfx@audio359:~$ mkdir pharo8

stfx@audio359:~$ cd !$ cd pharo8

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl get.pharo.org/64/80+vm | bash % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed 100 3054 100 3054 0 0 67866 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 69409 Downloading the latest 80 Image: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64.zip Pharo.image Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/80/pharo64-linux-stable.zip pharo-vm/pharo Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' & [1] 84125 nohup: ignoring input and appending output to 'nohup.out'

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ curl http://localhost:9090/random CF4173824EF6E0D9F336E5464A5FACB8ABEFFD1A6EE7A5F9F6631186F619606

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ jobs [1]+ Running nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090' &

stfx@audio359:~/pharo8$ kill %1 [1]+ Terminated nohup ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit 'ZnServer startOn: 9090'

BTW, nohup is one way to keep something running after you log out (systemctl services being the pro/real way)

...

The following book chapter explain things reasonably well:

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessfu...

Nowadays, you would use Baselines and git though.

I can give you more info if you want. Feel free to ask questions.

Sven

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On 16 May 2020, at 07:00, Sanjay Minni <

...

sm@

...

> wrote:

...

...

Hi

Eventually in a Digitalocean Ubuntu droplet, I connected from Windows 10 to a Ubuntu Graphical desktop, installed PharoLauncher and couple of images and got seaside up, installed Mongo DB and a Pharo App. pretty smooth and can share how to step by step if anybody is interested.

(note: no additional software is required on Windows 10 except chrome - as SSH, Remote Desktop is inbuilt, Chrome only for its VNC app)

Question: what is the best way to run and leave the Pharo App as a seaside server running. Currently I am running thru the X Desktop and if I Disconnect / logout from the remote desktop session then the pharo app may go down. also is that the most stable and resource optimised way

further: is Apache recommended

----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html