Indeed, This is a very sad day.I sincerly sympathize with people of France.In Algeria, we have known such barbarian actions in the 90's (and much more unfortunately, may you be preserved)But today we got rid of it. And I hope France will do too. In fact, I am quite sure it will. I finaly would like to say that those sick people do not represent us. They are stupid ignorants and we muslims, have been their first victims in Algeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ... and unfortunately, as Stef said, their evil will expand everywhere if nothing is done to stop them. Abdelghani Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:13:32 +0100 From: stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>,   Any question    about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Democracy attacked... Message-ID: <5646DF1C.5030103@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi guys I just want to let you that France got attacked by kamizazes probably from these fanatics ruining syria and we are touched. 120 people killed: they attacked a rock concert and restaurants in the street in Paris. They killed people randomly and as birds. I hope that such attacks will not happen in your country but if we do not do anything I doubt it will not expand. And sadly this is just the beginning because this is a terrible war in fact. Democracy and our model are threatened and I hope our countries will realize that we have to react. Stef ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:21:26 +0100 From: stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world Message-ID: <5646E0F6.8060007@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Thanks I just woke up and heard these terrible news. To me when a human believes that another one is not worth more than a dog and we can kill it for free, we cannot expect much. I really hope that people will not vote for extreme right because it would be terrible in addition. Now I hope that our goverment will have a really strong reaction. And the problem with democracy is that it is mild in general but in fact this is a war. When you imagine that in France an imam is able to say that if kids listen music they will go to hell. I'm really happy that France got in africa fighting against people that can destroy the oldest libraries because else we would have even more trouble because we are at two hours from algeria, marocco. Now we pay the price and it will continue. Stef Le 14/11/15 06:08, Hern?n Morales Durand a ?crit :
Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened about the future of human kind.
Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
Hern?n
Hi, In Colombia we had very violent and bad times at the 80's and that bad press endures until today, even despite of being a country full of wonderful people and places. And yes, I think that we need to make something. It's curious because programming tries to remain abstract but programmers are concrete people with countries, families, ties. I'm trying an alternative approach that binds programming to the reality by not starting with the sad/uninteresting "hello world examples", but with making sense of a complex human world by using data. Usually that means scraping data, think of it as a political construction instead of a "neutral" one and a critical approaches to problems. I'm not saying this is some kind of "solution", but another place to start thinking in how our everyday programming language and environment can help to build democracy and understanding by education, instead of being co-opted by the language of war. With solidarity, Offray On 15/11/15 04:23, abdelghani ALIDRA wrote:
Indeed, This is a very sad day. I sincerly sympathize with people of France. In Algeria, we have known such barbarian actions in the 90's (and much more unfortunately, may you be preserved) But today we got rid of it. And I hope France will do too. In fact, I am quite sure it will.
I finaly would like to say that those sick people do not represent us. They are stupid ignorants and we muslims, have been their first victims in Algeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ... and unfortunately, as Stef said, their evil will expand everywhere if nothing is done to stop them.
Abdelghani
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:13:32 +0100 From: stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>>, Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> Subject: [Pharo-users] Democracy attacked... Message-ID: <5646DF1C.5030103@free.fr <mailto:5646DF1C.5030103@free.fr>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Hi guys
I just want to let you that France got attacked by kamizazes probably from these fanatics ruining syria and we are touched. 120 people killed: they attacked a rock concert and restaurants in the street in Paris. They killed people randomly and as birds. I hope that such attacks will not happen in your country but if we do not do anything I doubt it will not expand.
And sadly this is just the beginning because this is a terrible war in fact. Democracy and our model are threatened and I hope our countries will realize that we have to react.
Stef
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:21:26 +0100 From: stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world Message-ID: <5646E0F6.8060007@free.fr <mailto:5646E0F6.8060007@free.fr>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Thanks I just woke up and heard these terrible news. To me when a human believes that another one is not worth more than a dog and we can kill it for free, we cannot expect much.
I really hope that people will not vote for extreme right because it would be terrible in addition. Now I hope that our goverment will have a really strong reaction. And the problem with democracy is that it is mild in general but in fact this is a war. When you imagine that in France an imam is able to say that if kids listen music they will go to hell.
I'm really happy that France got in africa fighting against people that can destroy the oldest libraries because else we would have even more trouble because we are at two hours from algeria, marocco. Now we pay the price and it will continue.
Stef
Le 14/11/15 06:08, Hern?n Morales Durand a ?crit :
Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened about the future of human kind.
Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
Hern?n
It is so very sad. Sad that it was done and sad that it can be done. There is no real way to stop them or it would end our open societies. They must decide not to kill innocent people. The only ones who can get them to decide that is complete, global and total condemnation from the Ummah. Unfortunately, there are high numbers of Imams who issue Fatwas in support. And the majority of the Ummah are too scared to object. For instance, a top Jordanian Salafi Sheikh stated it was permissible to kill Israeli women and children. Oh, really? If we can't trust Imams to promote non-violence and the Ummah is required to step up, it all rests on the Mu'minoon picking up weapons against these Quranic terrorists and actively sending these Munafiqoon to Jahannam. Peace to Paris, Robert On 11/15/2015 04:23 AM, abdelghani ALIDRA wrote:
Indeed, This is a very sad day. I sincerly sympathize with people of France. In Algeria, we have known such barbarian actions in the 90's (and much more unfortunately, may you be preserved) But today we got rid of it. And I hope France will do too. In fact, I am quite sure it will.
I finaly would like to say that those sick people do not represent us. They are stupid ignorants and we muslims, have been their first victims in Algeria, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan ... and unfortunately, as Stef said, their evil will expand everywhere if nothing is done to stop them.
Abdelghani
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:13:32 +0100 From: stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>, Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Democracy attacked... Message-ID: <5646DF1C.5030103@free.fr <mailto:5646DF1C.5030103@free.fr>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Hi guys
I just want to let you that France got attacked by kamizazes probably from these fanatics ruining syria and we are touched. 120 people killed: they attacked a rock concert and restaurants in the street in Paris. They killed people randomly and as birds. I hope that such attacks will not happen in your country but if we do not do anything I doubt it will not expand.
And sadly this is just the beginning because this is a terrible war in fact. Democracy and our model are threatened and I hope our countries will realize that we have to react.
Stef
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:21:26 +0100 From: stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Very sad day for the world Message-ID: <5646E0F6.8060007@free.fr <mailto:5646E0F6.8060007@free.fr>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Thanks I just woke up and heard these terrible news. To me when a human believes that another one is not worth more than a dog and we can kill it for free, we cannot expect much.
I really hope that people will not vote for extreme right because it would be terrible in addition. Now I hope that our goverment will have a really strong reaction. And the problem with democracy is that it is mild in general but in fact this is a war. When you imagine that in France an imam is able to say that if kids listen music they will go to hell.
I'm really happy that France got in africa fighting against people that can destroy the oldest libraries because else we would have even more trouble because we are at two hours from algeria, marocco. Now we pay the price and it will continue.
Stef
Le 14/11/15 06:08, Hern?n Morales Durand a ?crit :
Cannot believe what happened in Paris. I am really sad and frightened about the future of human kind.
Love and strength to the people in Paris and all of France.
Hern?n
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abdelghani ALIDRA -
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas -
Robert Withers