Re: [Pharo-users] more on "can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac"
Tim and Ben, Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW). Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'. I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option + <many keys> gives "special characters" like â, Ã, and Å. I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do isâ¦". Thanks!
I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried:
* searching the Pharo by Example book * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs * switching from extended to standard US keyboard * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard
If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks!
Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac. So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save. There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method. On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI) While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Macâs spotlight but for code) All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo Environment Help. But happy to get you started, as itâs frustrating if the basics arenât working for you. Tim Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams <gregg13@innerpaths.net> wrote:
Tim and Ben,
Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW).
Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'.
I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option + <many keys> gives "special characters" like â, Ã, and Å.
I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do isâ¦". Thanks!
I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried:
* searching the Pharo by Example book * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs * switching from extended to standard US keyboard * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard
If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks!
Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work. cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would expect any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some shortcuts do work, while others do not. Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do). I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having precedence over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, I've looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac behavior off, with no success. Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work. If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, I'll just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help! === original post === Tim Mackinnon wrote
Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac.
So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save.
There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method.
On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI)
While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Macâs spotlight but for code)
All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo Environment Help.
But happy to get you started, as itâs frustrating if the basics arenât working for you.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams <
gregg13@
> wrote:
Tim and Ben,
Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW).
Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'.
I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option +
<many keys> gives "special characters" like â, Ã, and Å.
I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do isâ¦". Thanks!
I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried:
* searching the Pharo by Example book * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs * switching from extended to standard US keyboard * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard
If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks!
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Oh. Its not an individual Cmd-t then Cmd-t Its Cmd-t-c So with a browser open on the instance side of a class press and hold the Cmd key, then hit t then hit c At least it works on my machine⢠GreggInCA wrote
Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work.
cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would expect any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some shortcuts do work, while others do not.
Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do).
I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having precedence over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, I've looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac behavior off, with no success.
Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work.
If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, I'll just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help!
=== original post ===
Tim Mackinnon wrote
Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac.
So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save.
There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method.
On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI)
While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Macâs spotlight but for code)
All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo Environment Help.
But happy to get you started, as itâs frustrating if the basics arenât working for you.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams <
gregg13@
> wrote:
Tim and Ben,
Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW).
Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'.
I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option +
<many keys>
gives "special characters" like â, Ã, and Å.
I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do isâ¦". Thanks!
I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried:
* searching the Pharo by Example book * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs * switching from extended to standard US keyboard * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard
If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks!
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oh and a typo. Which should have been: not Cmd-t then Cmd-c but Cmd-t-c Paul DeBruicker wrote
Oh. Its not an individual
Cmd-t then Cmd-t
Its Cmd-t-c
So with a browser open on the instance side of a class press and hold the Cmd key, then hit t then hit c
At least it works on my machineâ¢
GreggInCA wrote
Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work.
cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would expect any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some shortcuts do work, while others do not.
Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do).
I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having precedence over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, I've looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac behavior off, with no success.
Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work.
If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, I'll just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help!
=== original post ===
Tim Mackinnon wrote
Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac.
So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save.
There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method.
On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI)
While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Macâs spotlight but for code)
All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo Environment Help.
But happy to get you started, as itâs frustrating if the basics arenât working for you.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams <
gregg13@
> wrote:
Tim and Ben,
Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW).
Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'.
I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option +
<many keys>
gives "special characters" like â, Ã, and Å.
I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do isâ¦". Thanks!
I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried:
* searching the Pharo by Example book * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs * switching from extended to standard US keyboard * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard
If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks!
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Yes they all work for me too - so we âre a bit confused by what your reporting Greg, as they should all work on a Mac. Iâm sure we can help you get to the bottom of it. Tim Sent from my iPhone
On 7 Jun 2018, at 06:39, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic@gmail.com> wrote:
oh and a typo. Which should have been:
not Cmd-t then Cmd-c
but
Cmd-t-c
Paul DeBruicker wrote
Oh. Its not an individual
Cmd-t then Cmd-t
Its Cmd-t-c
So with a browser open on the instance side of a class press and hold the Cmd key, then hit t then hit c
At least it works on my machineâ¢
GreggInCA wrote
Tom, thanks for the detailed instructions. They help, but many of the shortcuts listed in Help (Help window > Pharo Environment Help > Keyboard Shortcuts > Browser Shortcuts) don't work.
cmd-b, cmd-m works as you said, but anything that begins with Meta + f (i.e., cmd-f) brings up a Find and Replace dialog, just as you would expect any Mac application to provide (i.e., cmd-f lets you find things). Some shortcuts do work, while others do not.
Other examples of things not working: With a system browser active and a class selected, Meta + t, Meta + c does *not* "show class side" (which is what the Browser Shortcuts window says it should do).
I'm sure this is Mac-specific, with built-in Mac behavior having precedence over any application-defined behaviors. As I said in my earliest post, I've looked everywhere in the Mac environment for ways to turn this Mac behavior off, with no success.
Hey, I can live without keyboard shortcuts, but I thought I'd put some energy into seeing if it's possible to get them to work.
If no one running Pharo 6.1 on a Mac can tell anything that might help, I'll just give it up and use menus. Everybody, thanks for your help!
=== original post ===
Tim Mackinnon wrote
Hi Greg - meta is the Cmd key on a Mac.
So you type cmd-shift-f for reformat code in a method, cmd-s to save.
There are some chorded keys - eg cmd-b cmd-m (keep holding the cmd then press b followed by m) to browse implementers of the selected method.
On Linux the meta key is Ctrl (just an FYI)
While discussing keystrokes - a less obvious but very useful one is shift-enter to get the spotter (sort of like the Macâs spotlight but for code)
All of this is in the help documentation - Help | Help Browser | Pharo Environment Help.
But happy to get you started, as itâs frustrating if the basics arenât working for you.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jun 2018, at 04:50, Gregg Williams <
gregg13@
> wrote:
Tim and Ben,
Thanks for your help. Sorry for not being clear. When I said "I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac," what I should have said is "I just can't get Pharo-specific shortcuts to work on the Macintosh implementation of Pharo" (6.1 is what I'm using BTW).
Maybe I should have said "keymap shortcuts"? I'm talking about things like Meta+Shift+f for 'find class', and Meta+x, Meta+m for 'remove method'.
I've looked for what the definition of Meta is for Mac OS. All I can find is meta-click is Shift+Option+click, but that doesn't seem to work. Option +
<many keys>
gives "special characters" like â, Ã, and Å.
I hope that now you can simply say, "Oh, of course, what you need to do isâ¦". Thanks!
I just can't get keyboard shortcuts to work on Mac. I?ve tried a lot of stuff, more than I can list here. Here are some things I?ve tried:
* searching the Pharo by Example book * turning off all Mac keyboard-macro programs * switching from extended to standard US keyboard * looking at options in System Preferences > Keyboard
If you?re on the Mac, do you have this problem? If so, what?s your solution? Thanks!
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Paul and Tim. Nope, still doesn't work. It might be some hacker-level customization I've forgotten about. Anyway, it's not worth my time or yours to track this down. Thanks for all your help. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
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