Hi guys Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome message :). First: Welcome! welcome and welcome Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything else just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels. Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful reflective system. If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo vision on http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium You will understand our current effort. Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :) There are a lot of different ways to contribute. - feedback - bugs idea for enhancements see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/ - translation - adding comments - building great stuff - using packagesâ¦. So welcome. Stef PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean, lean system with a great community.
Hallo, nice, that you recognize newbies as me ;-) Several questions I have: I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC and an image which runs with squeak from http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/ NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo? As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying NBCog (too). Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages like Deprecated: Form subclass: #FormStub instanceVariableNames: 'locator' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14' What should "Graphics-Display Objects" be, where is it replaced? And I miss TextStyle. Greetings Peter 2012/9/27 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
Hi guys
Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome message :).
First: Welcome! welcome and welcome
Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything else just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels.
Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful reflective system. If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo vision on http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium You will understand our current effort.
Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :) There are a lot of different ways to contribute. - feedback - bugs idea for enhancements see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/ - translation - adding comments - building great stuff - using packagesâ¦.
So welcome.
Stef
PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean, lean system with a great community.
On 27 September 2012 10:24, Peter K.H. Gragert <pkhgragert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hallo, nice, that you recognize newbies as me ;-)
Several questions I have: I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC and an image which runs with squeak from http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/ NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo? As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying NBCog (too). Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages like Deprecated: Form subclass: #FormStub instanceVariableNames: 'locator' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14'
What should "Graphics-Display Objects" be, where is it replaced? And I miss TextStyle.
NBCog is just a slightly modified Cog VM. Basicaly it is a Cog VM + NativeBoost plugin. The "faster" part comes from Cog , which has JIT. Second, VM is not an image, so saying that something deprecated in NBCog is incorrect, because it is deprecated in image you using, and VM is completely ignorant about such things.
Greetings Peter
2012/9/27 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
Hi guys
Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome message :).
First: Welcome! welcome and welcome
Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything else just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels.
Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful reflective system. If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo vision on http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium You will understand our current effort.
Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :) There are a lot of different ways to contribute. - feedback - bugs idea for enhancements see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/ - translation - adding comments - building great stuff - using packagesâ¦.
So welcome.
Stef
PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean, lean system with a great community.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Hallo Igor, Hmm, I do not understand totally ;-( NBCog does not complain but the image it has loaded about something which is 'Deprecated'? Yes, probably, the used image complains about it? If so, where could I download a 'good/starter/' image for NBCog? Or where and how could I read to build an image of my own? (mingw32 available and cmake on Vista)... Greetings Peter 2012/9/27 Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com>
On 27 September 2012 10:24, Peter K.H. Gragert <pkhgragert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hallo, nice, that you recognize newbies as me ;-)
Several questions I have: I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC and an image which runs with squeak from http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/ NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo? As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying NBCog (too). Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages like Deprecated: Form subclass: #FormStub instanceVariableNames: 'locator' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14'
What should "Graphics-Display Objects" be, where is it replaced? And I miss TextStyle.
NBCog is just a slightly modified Cog VM. Basicaly it is a Cog VM + NativeBoost plugin. The "faster" part comes from Cog , which has JIT. Second, VM is not an image, so saying that something deprecated in NBCog is incorrect, because it is deprecated in image you using, and VM is completely ignorant about such things.
Greetings Peter
2012/9/27 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
Hi guys
Since there are regularly new comers, here is a little ad-hoc welcome message :).
First: Welcome! welcome and welcome
Second: our goal is to create an ecosystem around pharo: if you need material to teach, if you have idea or needs for business or anything
else
just let us know. Our goal is to be able to reinvent our system and at the same time make sure that we can all create wealth at all levels.
Third: we are working hard to get our vision: a nice, little and powerful reflective system. If you want to understand what we are doing please read the document Pharo vision on http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consortium You will understand our current effort.
Four: you can get an impact on Pharo :) There are a lot of different ways to contribute. - feedback - bugs idea for enhancements see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list - book participation (we are working on deep into pharo http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe2/ - translation - adding comments - building great stuff - using packagesâ¦.
So welcome.
Stef
PS: Pharo is not the end, Pharo is the mean to create a powerful clean, lean system with a great community.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Peter, On 27 Sep 2012, at 10:24, Peter K.H. Gragert <pkhgragert@gmail.com> wrote:
I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC and an image which runs with squeak from http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/ NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo? As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying NBCog (too). Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages like Deprecated: Form subclass: #FormStub instanceVariableNames: 'locator' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14'
The 'fast' bit has nothing to do with NBCog but everything to do with Cog itself, yes this is confusing. The NB part is really advanved stuff currently under development. Just download the One-Click for Pharo 1.4 and you'll get the fast Cog (i.e. JIT) VM for free. Now, and this can be very confusing for beginners, Pharo Smalltalk is not the same thing as Squeak, it is evolving much faster, possibly at the cost of backward compatibility. Running older code on top of Pharo will not always work and possibly raise Deprecation warnings. In particular, etoys or scratch won't just work, even just discussing everything involved is above beginner level. That being said, hundreds of externals packages do just work. What is it that want to do ? Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill
Thans Sven, for clarifying a lot. Will stick to Pharo 1.4 ... Peter 2012/9/27 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>
Peter,
On 27 Sep 2012, at 10:24, Peter K.H. Gragert <pkhgragert@gmail.com> wrote:
I have meanwhile Pharo 1.4 (squeak, etoys, scratch) and NBCog on my PC and an image which runs with squeak from http://www.preeminent.org/squeak/tut2007/html/ NBCog show too the Pharo-tower, question is it really Pharo? As a friend says NBCog is several times 'faster' then ..., reason for trying NBCog (too). Question, in NBCog, importing the Laser-Game code I get messages like Deprecated: Form subclass: #FormStub instanceVariableNames: 'locator' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'Graphics-Display Objects''Deprecated14'
The 'fast' bit has nothing to do with NBCog but everything to do with Cog itself, yes this is confusing. The NB part is really advanved stuff currently under development.
Just download the One-Click for Pharo 1.4 and you'll get the fast Cog (i.e. JIT) VM for free.
Now, and this can be very confusing for beginners, Pharo Smalltalk is not the same thing as Squeak, it is evolving much faster, possibly at the cost of backward compatibility. Running older code on top of Pharo will not always work and possibly raise Deprecation warnings. In particular, etoys or scratch won't just work, even just discussing everything involved is above beginner level.
That being said, hundreds of externals packages do just work.
What is it that want to do ?
Sven
-- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill
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