Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon
Hello, Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject Marcus
Thanks a lot. It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect. Cheers, Offray On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again. The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose. Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become. I have nothing to do anymore in this community. Steven. Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > >Â Â Â Â Marcus
Yes, call anyone that disagrees with your political viewpoints "nazis". Actual nazis ripped people from their homes and murdered millions. Stop being so dramatic. No one is going to take you seriously until you come and join the rest of us in reality. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 2:35â¯AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Hello steven We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system. I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :) S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com>>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people. People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
lol, "far left". Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others choices. But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like him. Esteban ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be able to go and protest to twitter. On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > >Â Â Â Â Marcus
I generally skew left on social programs, but have conservative opinions on monetary policy, for instance. However, I am deeply concerned how the far left shuts down any political debate that even slightly disagree with their viewpoint and ban people for stating otherwise. Calling someone "nazi" and 'fascist" or saying "trans women are not real women" is an example of this. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:23â¯PM Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
lol, "far left".
Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others choices.
But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like him.
Esteban
ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be able to go and protest to twitter. On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
I donât know how I have been copied into this thread. I have not posted anything on this topic, because I donât understand what itâs all about. It looks as though Stephane Ducasse wrote to thank me for renewing my membership, and somehow my name was repeated in later posts. Please, Esteban, why are you sending me threats? As I said, I have not posted anything in this thread. Peter Kenny From: Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Sent: 19 February 2025 21:23 To: Peter Kenny <peter@pbkresearch.co.uk> Cc: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@netc.eu> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon lol, "far left". Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others choices. But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like him. Esteban ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be able to go and protest to twitter. On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote: The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people. People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > wrote: Hello steven We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system. I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :) S, On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io <mailto:steven.costiou@kloum.io> > wrote: This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again. The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose. Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become. I have nothing to do anymore in this community. Steven. Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit : Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name> > wrote: I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. Norbert Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas < <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com> steveeq1@gmail.com>: Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com> > wrote: Thanks a lot. It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect. Cheers, Offray On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. " That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists. Cheers On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Can we ban him already? Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? Are we "tolerating nazis"??? Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > Â Marcus
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no place here. Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could participate. Kind Regards Dave Langley On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > Â Marcus
Go fuck yourself with Hitler! It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS OUT! I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...). No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS. Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could participate. Kind Regards Dave Langley On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > Â Marcus
Time to grow up and focus on the purpose of this list. Kind Regards Dave Langley On 20/02/2025 10:59, Steven Costiou wrote:
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once:Â everybody knows the play of "it's purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could participate. Kind Regards Dave Langley On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > Â Marcus
Do you honestly think I'm a "nazi"? And Elon Musk too? If so, you have lost touch with reality! I blame social media, it causes brain rot. BlueSky makes it worse because it only shows one side of the debate while twitter shows multiple perspectives. On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:10â¯AM <dave@radpac.co.za> wrote:
Time to grow up and focus on the purpose of this list.
Kind Regards Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:59, Steven Costiou wrote:
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could participate.
Kind Regards Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Does anyone physically know this Steven Costiou person? Honest question, is he mentally ill? Reason I am asking is that he knows nothing about me, but immediately brands me as "nazi" based off of two things I said: - I like Elon Musk - I don't like BlueSky He seems serious about it too. My guess is that he's "terminally online" and has formed a very warped perception of reality due to too much exposure to social media echo chambers (aka "brain rot"). But maybe i'm wrong and there's something I'm missing here. - Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:00â¯AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
Go fuck yourself with Hitler!
It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS OUT!
I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...).
No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS.
Le 20/02/2025 à 09:51, dave@radpac.co.za a écrit :
All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no place here.
Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could participate.
Kind Regards Dave Langley
On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote:
Can we ban him already?
Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side??
Are we "tolerating nazis"???
Le 20/02/2025 à 03:16, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
YES to all of that! I'm also convinced that bluesky will become similar to twitter, sooner or later. We also started Mastodon accounts for Pharo and ESUG, and perhaps ultimately we'll succeed in moving an important part of the community there. But bluesky or twitter before were never mandatory to be up to date with Pharo, so it's not an incentive to join Bluesky. Le 20/02/2025 à 01:58, Harald a écrit :
Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents:
Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists.
Cheers
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, <richard.sargent@gemtalksystems.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. "
That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever.
Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com> wrote:
The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people.
People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:
Hello steven
We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it).
We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system.
I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo.
No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :)
S,
On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou@kloum.io> wrote:
This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit.
He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again.
The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose.
Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo.
Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become.
I have nothing to do anymore in this community.
Steven.
Le 19/02/2025 à 11:06, Steve Quezadas a écrit :
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > >Â Â Â Â Marcus
Please respect the choice of the board. If you do not like it, just drop of the list. S
Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com>>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
Pharo people should go on whatever social media Pharo people want to go on. I shall not follow because social media seem to bring out the worst in people whatever the topic or platform. I am thrilled to the very socks with this mailing list and deeply grateful to the Pharo developers for the time and effort they put into Pharo and here. I only fear that antisocial media will dilute that effort, because Ducasse et al may be superhuman, their time is still linited. On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 at 10:37â¯PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have.
Norbert
Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1@gmail.com>:
Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas < offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot.
It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect.
Cheers,
Offray
On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote:
Hello,
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social
We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!)
https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject
Marcus
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dave＠radpac.co.za -
Esteban Lorenzano -
Harald -
Marcus Denker -
Norbert Hartl -
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas -
peter＠pbkresearch.co.uk -
Richard O'Keefe -
Richard Sargent -
sducasseatwork＠mailo.com -
Steve Quezadas -
Steven Costiou