Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?
On 07-11-17 19:38, alanone1 via Pharo-users wrote:
(So what is the big problem with doing something better than PPT in Pharo?)
Lots of tiny things, resulting in presentations not looking very good. I have done a lot of workshops with glamour based browsers, integrating (visualization) exercises in the glamour browser just mapping them to methods. It works well and is easy to do. And the font metrics were not correct, not supporting ligatures and kerning. There was a lack of support for adding media in an easy-to-distribute format, no support for multiple monitors, no HiDPI display support, bad support for rotating text and scaling without artifacts. And in Pharo the continuous change resulting in each workshop needing fixing each time I gave it, and the lack of widespread morphic knowledge and slow and slightly uncoordinated removal of features that were seen as unmaintainable and or not used. So I'm very happy that finally a lot of the things I've been waiting for are now coming together and I can switch to the easier problem :)
And, in fact, it is also quite demoralizing to have to use this !@#$% non-WYSIWYG horrible web editor to make this comment ....
I use thunderbird and news.gmane.org to avoid that. Stephan
For my workshops I use Grafoscopio (of course ;-P). Having a document like structure that can contain interactive playgrounds in a tree to give them context is pretty useful in such educational/explanatory contexts. Once I have time again (i.e. after finishing to write my PhD thesis) I hope to make some test on extending that via a mind map alike UI that can be used also for presentations. The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Cheers, Offray On 07/11/17 15:01, stephan wrote:
On 07-11-17 19:38, alanone1 via Pharo-users wrote:
(So what is the big problem with doing something better than PPT in Pharo?)
Lots of tiny things, resulting in presentations not looking very good. I have done a lot of workshops with glamour based browsers, integrating (visualization) exercises in the glamour browser just mapping them to methods. It works well and is easy to do. And the font metrics were not correct, not supporting ligatures and kerning. There was a lack of support for adding media in an easy-to-distribute format, no support for multiple monitors, no HiDPI display support, bad support for rotating text and scaling without artifacts. And in Pharo the continuous change resulting in each workshop needing fixing each time I gave it, and the lack of widespread morphic knowledge and slow and slightly uncoordinated removal of features that were seen as unmaintainable and or not used.
So I'm very happy that finally a lot of the things I've been waiting for are now coming together and I can switch to the easier problem :)
And, in fact, it is also quite demoralizing to have to use this !@#$% non-WYSIWYG horrible web editor to make this comment ....
I use thunderbird and news.gmane.org to avoid that.
Stephan
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations.
Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)
Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2]. [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm Cheers, Offray
I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others. Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know. Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing. Andrew Glynn Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)
Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2]. [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm Cheers, Offray
I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. Cheers, Offray On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote:
I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.
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On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems
pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations.
Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)
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Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with
animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by
bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind
maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a
Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].
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[1]
http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg
[2]
http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm
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I was thinking of using it more for ideas of what works / what doesnât. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 9:50 PM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. Cheers, Offray On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.  Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know.  Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing.  Andrew Glynn  Sent from Mail for Windows 10  From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?    On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)   Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].  [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm  Cheers,  Offray  Â
Everytime I read such discussions I wonder what happened to the Sophie code. There be might be some gems in it to achieve what you want Norbert
Am 09.11.2017 um 03:49 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com>:
I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor.
Cheers,
Offray
On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.
Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know.
Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing.
Andrew Glynn
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From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?
On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)
Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].
[1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm
Cheers,
Offray
Sophie looked very promising... Unfortunately it was not open source and died before porting it to Java (following the Illuminati conspiracy of porting Smalltalk break througts to "inferior" technology, as happens once and again :-P). Offray On 09/11/17 02:40, Norbert Hartl wrote:
Everytime I read such discussions I wonder what happened to the Sophie code. There be might be some gems in it to achieve what you want
Norbert
Am 09.11.2017 um 03:49 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>>:
I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor.
Cheers,
Offray
On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote:
I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.
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Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know.
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Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing.
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On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems
pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations.
Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)
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Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with
animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by
bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind
maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a
Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].
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[1]
http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg
[2]
http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm
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Lol, you can joke from where you are, my father-in-law firmly believes Iâm a member of the âIlluminatiâ due to having gone to Jesuit seminaries until the end of secondary school. Then again, it makes him more polite since heâs a bit scared of me, so I suppose it has its benefits ⦠Andrew Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 8:23 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? Sophie looked very promising... Unfortunately it was not open source and died before porting it to Java (following the Illuminati conspiracy of porting Smalltalk break througts to "inferior" technology, as happens once and again :-P). Offray On 09/11/17 02:40, Norbert Hartl wrote: Everytime I read such discussions I wonder what happened to the Sophie code. There be might be some gems in it to achieve what you want Norbert Am 09.11.2017 um 03:49 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com>: I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. Cheers, Offray On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.  Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know.  Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing.  Andrew Glynn  Sent from Mail for Windows 10  From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?    On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)   Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].  [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm  Cheers,  Offray  Â
As said, Illuminati everywhere... :-D On 09/11/17 08:26, Andrew Glynn wrote:
Lol, you can joke from where you are, my father-in-law firmly believes Iâm a member of the âIlluminatiâ due to having gone to Jesuit seminaries until the end of secondary school.
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Sophie looked very promising... Unfortunately it was not open source and died before porting it to Java (following the Illuminati conspiracy of porting Smalltalk break througts to "inferior" technology, as happens once and again :-P).
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On 09/11/17 02:40, Norbert Hartl wrote:
Everytime I read such discussions I wonder what happened to the Sophie code. There be might be some gems in it to achieve what you want
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Am 09.11.2017 um 03:49 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>>:
I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor.
Cheers,
Offray
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On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote:
I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.
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Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know.
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Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing.
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On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
> Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
>> The idea of slides seems
>> pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations.
> Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)
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Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with
animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by
bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind
maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a
Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].
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[1]
http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg
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Search and ye shall receive! ⦠Or find, or whatever ⦠Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfFFI'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfFFI) project latestVersion) load. Gofer new squeaksource: 'SophieGoldDig'; package: 'SpdQT'; load. Warning, this was last tested as far as I can tell in Pharo 1.1.1. Andrew From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 8:23 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? Sophie looked very promising... Unfortunately it was not open source and died before porting it to Java (following the Illuminati conspiracy of porting Smalltalk break througts to "inferior" technology, as happens once and again :-P). Offray On 09/11/17 02:40, Norbert Hartl wrote: Everytime I read such discussions I wonder what happened to the Sophie code. There be might be some gems in it to achieve what you want Norbert Am 09.11.2017 um 03:49 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com>: I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. Cheers, Offray On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others.  Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know.  Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing.  Andrew Glynn  Sent from Mail for Windows 10  From: Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?    On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas-2 wrote
The idea of slides seems pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :)   Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2].  [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm  Cheers,  Offray  Â
On 9 Nov 2017, at 14:22, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:
Sophie looked very promising... Unfortunately it was not open source and died before porting it to Java (following the Illuminati conspiracy of porting Smalltalk break througts to "inferior" technology, as happens once and again :-P).
Sophie was one of the reason I got so, umm, upset? about Squeak⦠I mean even though the project failed, the results where on a level that they could have been used to improve Squeak quite radically. All the base technology was more or less finished and working (maybe a bit complex at times, cf. Tweakâ¦). I still do not understand why everyone back then had this âSqueak is untouchable, you can only build on top or you are an evil personâ view of the world. Just imagine the people who did Sophie would have done their work by *contributing* to Squeak in a serious way (in the sense of evolving it into the next thing). The resulting system would have been amazing. The fact that Sophie failed as a project would have been not important *at all*. You could finance an amazing platform by just doing failed projects. As long as you do them open source and feed back the results. The same happened with everything Etoys, with everything Croquet. And even though there where people working on all these things at the same time. To me this is a mystery. It made no sense, at all. Marcus
People mistake my notion of a platform having a stable core so that it can be built on, with never changing that core one bit. A stable, evolving core is precisely what allows rapid and flexible new product improvement. Wasnât that the whole point of deprecation rather than replacement? It gives developers of a given product a version or two to update their code when the base evolves. Itâs a mystery to me overall though, as well. Andrew From: Marcus Denker Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 8:48 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? On 9 Nov 2017, at 14:22, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote: Sophie looked very promising... Unfortunately it was not open source and died before porting it to Java (following the Illuminati conspiracy of porting Smalltalk break througts to "inferior" technology, as happens once and again :-P). Sophie was one of the reason I got so, umm, upset? about Squeak⦠I mean even though the project failed, the results where on a level that they could have been used to improve Squeak quite radically. All the base technology was more or less finished and working (maybe a bit complex at times, cf. Tweakâ¦). I still do not understand why everyone back then had this âSqueak is untouchable, you can only build on top or you are an evil personâ view of the world. Just imagine the people who did Sophie would have done their work by *contributing* to Squeak in a serious way (in the sense of evolving it into the next thing). The resulting system would have been amazing. The fact that Sophie failed as a project would have been not important *at all*. You could finance an amazing platform by just doing failed projects. As long as you do them open source and feed back the results. The same happened with everything Etoys, with everything Croquet. And even though there where people working on all these things at the same time. To me this is a mystery. It made no sense, at all. Marcus
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