Hi. You’re right in general. But for me the main question is: can Monticello work well? This thing was not evolving for years. Something has to be done. Uko On 03 Nov 2013, at 13:22, MartinW <wm@fastmail.fm> wrote:

Just a thought on the discussions about Smalltalkhub beeing down and people would love to use Gibhub instead:

I would rather pay for Smalltalkhub than use Github for free.

And there is all this talk about building a business with Pharo - why not make a business from Smalltalkhub? The thought of course is that when Smalltalkhub would be a business, it’s makers could spend more time and effort keeping it up and running and adding new features.

This may have been quoted a lot but still: "The lesson: People are happy to pay for things that work well. Never be afraid to put a price on something. If you pour your heart into something and make it great, sell it. For real money. Even if there are free options, even if the market is flooded with free. People will pay for things they love.“ From: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2794-how-to-get-good-at-making-money

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Well I am for one promoting the use of Gihub mainly on the grounds of promotion of Pharo efforts. the more projects are uploaded on github the more exposure Pharo gets.Its also possible to have both Smalltalkhub and Github, we could use Github as a fallback, a backup system for Smalltalkhub and have monticello automagically commit to both with a press of a button. Github also offers a nice convenient way for issue tracking, bug reports, feature request and forums. Gist is excellent for generating code examples on the fly. Leveraging existing technologies means we can concentrate on new features and new ideas. Also not having to maintain Smalltalkhub from an operational basis is good news. We need to acknowledge that we are a very small community that needs to take to account that we dont have the manpower to afford Pharo specific solutions for everything and anything. Especially for such demanding task as versions control. Every user that comes to Pharo will ask "what new Pharo gives me to justify abandoning my existing favorite choice ? ". I take a look at previous experiments like squeaksource and I find little justification to not support Github. But then I am not against Smalltalkhub or other repos being available to Pharo. The more the merrier. On the matters of payment , sure you can do that too, but as I said , we are a very small community we need to be realistic about these things. I think it depends on how you see Pharo for yourself. I see Pharo not as a replacement but rather as an extension of available technology and I would love to see Pharo play better and better with existing technologies not just Github. Pharo is doing already this with Athens (Cairo) , NBOpengl (as well as previous opengl implementations) , Amber (though external to pharo , deeply related to it) and many more. Saying that, I am also a fan of Pharo precisely because is not afraid to do things its own way, try new fresh experimental ideas, go against the flow and brake some rules in the process. So I think the secret of success for Pharo is between being a good supporter of existing technologies but also a ground for bringing newones to the users. I will also love to see Smalltalkhub expand and improve and I even see myself why not contributing with my small effort to it. As we say in Greece "anything done with precise measure is perfection" . On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM, MartinW <wm@fastmail.fm> wrote:

Just a thought on the discussions about Smalltalkhub beeing down and people would love to use Gibhub instead:

I would rather pay for Smalltalkhub than use Github for free.

And there is all this talk about building a business with Pharo - why not make a business from Smalltalkhub? The thought of course is that when Smalltalkhub would be a business, it’s makers could spend more time and effort keeping it up and running and adding new features.

This may have been quoted a lot but still: "The lesson: People are happy to pay for things that work well. Never be afraid to put a price on something. If you pour your heart into something and make it great, sell it. For real money. Even if there are free options, even if the market is flooded with free. People will pay for things they love.“ From: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2794-how-to-get-good-at-making-money

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