Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction so what I did was the following Open playground and inspect KMKeymap allInstances . and it returns me 538 now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema... ah the irony is too strong in this one Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget. Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there. How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
On 5 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
so what I did was the following
Open playground and inspect
KMKeymap allInstances .
and it returns me
538
now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs
http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema... <http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema...>
ah the irony is too strong in this one
Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
2016-01-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 David Allouche <david@allouche.net>:
Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget.
Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there.
How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
At high level, do KMLog setDebug (and get a transcript open) to stop it, do KMLog removeDebug. (This will give you Keymapping behavior, but remember that: any app can add a key processing on a morph instance manually, and that many morphs have hardwired shortcuts such as navigation keys) At a lower level, you can trace or add a watchpoint inside: HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent: Use that if you don't see your ctrl+tab at the Keymapping level. Thierry
On 5 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
so what I did was the following
Open playground and inspect
KMKeymap allInstances .
and it returns me
538
now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs
http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema...
ah the irony is too strong in this one
Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
I am an idiot , sorry, I though you were talking about nautilus shortcut dialog yeah thats what i am looking for 200+ shortcuts ok so I was wrong , still not bad at all :) On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:04 PM Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-01-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 David Allouche <david@allouche.net>:
Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget.
Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there.
How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
At high level, do
KMLog setDebug
(and get a transcript open)
to stop it, do
KMLog removeDebug.
(This will give you Keymapping behavior, but remember that: any app can add a key processing on a morph instance manually, and that many morphs have hardwired shortcuts such as navigation keys)
At a lower level, you can trace or add a watchpoint inside:
HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent:
Use that if you don't see your ctrl+tab at the Keymapping level.
Thierry
On 5 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
so what I did was the following
Open playground and inspect
KMKeymap allInstances .
and it returns me
538
now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs
http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema...
ah the irony is too strong in this one
Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
looks like that it does not contain the global shortcuts like how you open the playground etc all am i still missing something ? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:12 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I am an idiot , sorry, I though you were talking about nautilus shortcut dialog
yeah thats what i am looking for 200+ shortcuts
ok so I was wrong , still not bad at all :)
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:04 PM Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-01-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 David Allouche <david@allouche.net>:
Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget.
Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there.
How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
At high level, do
KMLog setDebug
(and get a transcript open)
to stop it, do
KMLog removeDebug.
(This will give you Keymapping behavior, but remember that: any app can add a key processing on a morph instance manually, and that many morphs have hardwired shortcuts such as navigation keys)
At a lower level, you can trace or add a watchpoint inside:
HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent:
Use that if you don't see your ctrl+tab at the Keymapping level.
Thierry
On 5 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
so what I did was the following
Open playground and inspect
KMKeymap allInstances .
and it returns me
538
now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs
http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema...
ah the irony is too strong in this one
Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
Just inspect: KMRepository default and you will get both the contextual and the global keys: Cheers, Doru
On Jan 5, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
looks like that it does not contain the global shortcuts like how you open the playground etc all am i still missing something ?
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:12 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I am an idiot , sorry, I though you were talking about nautilus shortcut dialog
yeah thats what i am looking for 200+ shortcuts
ok so I was wrong , still not bad at all :)
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:04 PM Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote: 2016-01-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 David Allouche <david@allouche.net>: Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget.
Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there.
How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
At high level, do
KMLog setDebug
(and get a transcript open)
to stop it, do
KMLog removeDebug.
(This will give you Keymapping behavior, but remember that: any app can add a key processing on a morph instance manually, and that many morphs have hardwired shortcuts such as navigation keys)
At a lower level, you can trace or add a watchpoint inside:
HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent:
Use that if you don't see your ctrl+tab at the Keymapping level.
Thierry
On 5 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
so what I did was the following
Open playground and inspect
KMKeymap allInstances .
and it returns me
538
now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs
http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema...
ah the irony is too strong in this one
Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote: World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with."
thaks tudor this is what i was look for, thank to Sven as well On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:29 PM Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Just inspect: KMRepository default
and you will get both the contextual and the global keys:
Cheers, Doru
On Jan 5, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
looks like that it does not contain the global shortcuts like how you open the playground etc all am i still missing something ?
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:12 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I am an idiot , sorry, I though you were talking about nautilus shortcut dialog
yeah thats what i am looking for 200+ shortcuts
ok so I was wrong , still not bad at all :)
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:04 PM Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote: 2016-01-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 David Allouche <david@allouche.net>: Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget.
Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there.
How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
At high level, do
KMLog setDebug
(and get a transcript open)
to stop it, do
KMLog removeDebug.
(This will give you Keymapping behavior, but remember that: any app can add a key processing on a morph instance manually, and that many morphs have hardwired shortcuts such as navigation keys)
At a lower level, you can trace or add a watchpoint inside:
HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent:
Use that if you don't see your ctrl+tab at the Keymapping level.
Thierry
On 5 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
so what I did was the following
Open playground and inspect
KMKeymap allInstances .
and it returns me
538
now unless those are duplicates as well, which i doubt from the looks of it it that means we have 6 shortcuts more than emacs, so pharo has more shortcuts than emacs
http://superuser.com/questions/768540/how-many-keyboard-shortcuts-are-in-ema...
ah the irony is too strong in this one
Please correct me if i am wrong because this is huge news for me :D
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:22 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote: World Menu > System > Keymap Browser ?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:16, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys I remember a way to open the inspector for browsing all available keyboard shortcuts in pharo but I cannot find it via google, anyone remembers the way to do this ?
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Reasonable is what we are accustomed with."
On 5 Jan 2016, at 15:03, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote:
2016-01-05 14:42 GMT+01:00 David Allouche <david@allouche.net <mailto:david@allouche.net>>: Strangely, I am not able get any response from Ctrl-TAB, which is essential to tab out of a text widget.
Looking with the inspector, it looks like it SHOULD do what I need, but it appears that the keyboard event does not get there.
How can I get a transcript output for every detected keyboard event? I suspect that maybe something system-wide in MacOS is intercepting the event.
At high level, do
KMLog setDebug
(and get a transcript open)
to stop it, do
KMLog removeDebug.
(This will give you Keymapping behavior, but remember that: any app can add a key processing on a morph instance manually, and that many morphs have hardwired shortcuts such as navigation keys)
At a lower level, you can trace or add a watchpoint inside:
HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent:
Use that if you don't see your ctrl+tab at the Keymapping level.
Thierry
Thanks. I added some logging statements to HandMorph>>#generateKeyboardEvent: and they show that this method is not run at all for Ctrl-Tab keyDown events. But it is run for Ctrl-Tab keyUp events, and it returns a keyEvent for those. It does not look like there is a OS level shortcut override for Ctrl-Tab, since it works correctly, in Safari for example (switch tabs). Could it be a bug in the VM? I am running the Pharo 4.0 release VM and image. Can anyone else running MacOS can confirm that Ctrl-TAB works for them in Pharo?
On 05 Jan 2016, at 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
nope thats only the shortcuts of nautilus , a tiny fraction
How so ? This is part of what it shows on 50511 Clearly not just Nautilus, but many elements and components of the system. Are we looking at the same thing ?
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