Code Navigation: Navigation History in System Browser?
Hi I was browsing through the draft chapter for Pharo By Example describing the Omnibrowser architecture (https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27418/Omnibrowser.pdf). One of the screenshots (Figure 1.5 in the PDF) shows a browser with Back, Forward and History Buttons i.e. navigation history features. My specific questions: 1) What happened to this version of the browser? Is it possible to load the navigation history feature into the latest version of Pharo? I am currently using Pharo 1.2 2) The paper "Tackling Software Navigation Issues of the Smalltalk IDE" by Röthlisberger et al (http://www.bergel.eu/download/papers/Berg09d-SmalltalkIDE.pdf) implemented several useful features for code navigation in the Smalltalk IDE. Was their work ever ported to Pharo? Hopefully the authors of the paper are reading this list and can comment. The paper was very interesting for me because it described and proposed solutions for problems that I have encountered with code navigation in Smalltalk. Thanks! -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi nick, I comment above. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nick Chen <nchen.dev@mac.com> wrote:
Hi
I was browsing through the draft chapter for Pharo By Example describing the Omnibrowser architecture (https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27418/Omnibrowser.pdf). One of the screenshots (Figure 1.5 in the PDF) shows a browser with Back, Forward and History Buttons i.e. navigation history features.
There are several browser for Pharo. PharoCore uses one, and in PharoDev we are using Omnibrowser, a.k.a OB. There is ANOTHER browser called O2 That "history feature" is part of O2, not OB. O2 used to load in Pharo (indeed, it was the defaul at the very beginning of Pharo 1.0). But nowadays, its developr nor nobody maintain it, so it doesn't load/works correctly in Pharo 1.2 anymore.
My specific questions:
1) What happened to this version of the browser? Is it possible to load the navigation history feature into the latest version of Pharo? I am currently using Pharo 1.2
No. You need to update O2 and make it work in Pharo 1.2 or try to add such feature to OB.
2) The paper "Tackling Software Navigation Issues of the Smalltalk IDE" by Röthlisberger et al (http://www.bergel.eu/download/papers/Berg09d-SmalltalkIDE.pdf) implemented several useful features for code navigation in the Smalltalk IDE.
Was their work ever ported to Pharo? Hopefully the authors of the paper are reading this list and can comment. The paper was very interesting for me because it described and proposed solutions for problems that I have encountered with code navigation in Smalltalk.
Thanks!
-- Nick
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-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi nick, I comment above.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nick Chen wrote:
Hi
I was browsing through the draft chapter for Pharo By Example describing the Omnibrowser architecture (https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27418/Omnibrowser.pdf). One of the screenshots (Figure 1.5 in the PDF) shows a browser with Back, Forward and History Buttons i.e. navigation history features.
There are several browser for Pharo. PharoCore uses one, and in PharoDev we are using Omnibrowser, a.k.a OB. There is ANOTHER browser called O2
That "history feature" is part of O2, not OB. O2 used to load in Pharo (indeed, it was the defaul at the very beginning of Pharo 1.0). But nowadays, its developr nor nobody maintain it, so it doesn't load/works correctly in Pharo 1.2 anymore.
My specific questions:
1) What happened to this version of the browser? Is it possible to load the navigation history feature into the latest version of Pharo? I am currently using Pharo 1.2
No. You need to update O2 and make it work in Pharo 1.2 or try to add such feature to OB.
Thanks Mariano! The brief description of the different browsers was helpful. Because of your mentioning of the term "O2", I managed to find the O2 repository (http://www.squeaksource.com/O2) and load the latest version using Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfO2'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault David Roethlisberger made some changes on April 13 2011 that seems to make it work with Pharo (after I fixed the #MNU of the Preferences class). There are still some things missing like the Mercury Panel and some possible incompatibilities with Pharo-1.2 but at least it loads. I'll try to fix those problems and update it to work with Pharo-1.2. Thanks! -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Excellent! if it is finally working, create a new Metacello version and lets us know :) Mariano On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Nick Chen <nchen.dev@mac.com> wrote:
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi nick, I comment above.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nick Chen wrote:
Hi
I was browsing through the draft chapter for Pharo By Example describing the Omnibrowser architecture (https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27418/Omnibrowser.pdf). One
of
the screenshots (Figure 1.5 in the PDF) shows a browser with Back, Forward and History Buttons i.e. navigation history features.
There are several browser for Pharo. PharoCore uses one, and in PharoDev we are using Omnibrowser, a.k.a OB. There is ANOTHER browser called O2
That "history feature" is part of O2, not OB. O2 used to load in Pharo (indeed, it was the defaul at the very beginning of Pharo 1.0). But nowadays, its developr nor nobody maintain it, so it doesn't load/works correctly in Pharo 1.2 anymore.
My specific questions:
1) What happened to this version of the browser? Is it possible to load the navigation history feature into the latest version of Pharo? I am currently using Pharo 1.2
No. You need to update O2 and make it work in Pharo 1.2 or try to add such feature to OB.
Thanks Mariano! The brief description of the different browsers was helpful. Because of your mentioning of the term "O2", I managed to find the O2 repository (http://www.squeaksource.com/O2) and load the latest version using
Gofer new
squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
package: 'ConfigurationOfO2';
load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault
David Roethlisberger made some changes on April 13 2011 that seems to make it work with Pharo (after I fixed the #MNU of the Preferences class). There are still some things missing like the Mercury Panel and some possible incompatibilities with Pharo-1.2 but at least it loads.
I'll try to fix those problems and update it to work with Pharo-1.2.
Thanks!
-- Nick
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
This feature should be available in Nautilus ;) Just wait a bit ^^ Ben 2011/4/10 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
Excellent! if it is finally working, create a new Metacello version and lets us know :) Mariano
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Nick Chen <nchen.dev@mac.com> wrote:
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi nick, I comment above.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nick Chen wrote:
Hi
I was browsing through the draft chapter for Pharo By Example
describing
the Omnibrowser architecture (https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27418/Omnibrowser.pdf). One of the screenshots (Figure 1.5 in the PDF) shows a browser with Back, Forward and History Buttons i.e. navigation history features.
There are several browser for Pharo. PharoCore uses one, and in PharoDev we are using Omnibrowser, a.k.a OB. There is ANOTHER browser called O2
That "history feature" is part of O2, not OB. O2 used to load in Pharo (indeed, it was the defaul at the very beginning of Pharo 1.0). But nowadays, its developr nor nobody maintain it, so it doesn't load/works correctly in Pharo 1.2 anymore.
My specific questions:
1) What happened to this version of the browser? Is it possible to load the navigation history feature into the latest version of Pharo? I am currently using Pharo 1.2
No. You need to update O2 and make it work in Pharo 1.2 or try to add such feature to OB.
Thanks Mariano! The brief description of the different browsers was helpful. Because of your mentioning of the term "O2", I managed to find the O2 repository (http://www.squeaksource.com/O2) and load the latest version using
Gofer new
squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';
package: 'ConfigurationOfO2';
load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault
David Roethlisberger made some changes on April 13 2011 that seems to make it work with Pharo (after I fixed the #MNU of the Preferences class). There are still some things missing like the Mercury Panel and some possible incompatibilities with Pharo-1.2 but at least it loads.
I'll try to fix those problems and update it to work with Pharo-1.2.
Thanks!
-- Nick
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote:
This feature should be available in Nautilus ;)
Just wait a bit ^^
Ben
Ben, thanks for the pointer! Haven't heard of Nautilus before but a quick search through the forums reveals that it's a "new browser" with a lot of nice features. I tried the following to try to load it: "Found this through http://forum.world.st/introducing-RPackage-td3326084.html" Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; package: 'ConfigurationOfRPackage'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRPackage) perform: #loadDefault. Gofer new url: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Nautilus'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNautilus) perform: #loadDefault. But when I tried to start it from the World Menu it throws a MNU about PluggableIconListMorphOfMany. Where can I load the PluggableIconListMorphOfMany class and friends? Thanks! -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Did you try in the latest 1.3? Stef On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Nick Chen wrote:
Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote:
This feature should be available in Nautilus ;)
Just wait a bit ^^
Ben
Ben, thanks for the pointer! Haven't heard of Nautilus before but a quick search through the forums reveals that it's a "new browser" with a lot of nice features.
I tried the following to try to load it:
"Found this through http://forum.world.st/introducing-RPackage-td3326084.html" Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; package: 'ConfigurationOfRPackage'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRPackage) perform: #loadDefault.
Gofer new url: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Nautilus'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus'; load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNautilus) perform: #loadDefault.
But when I tried to start it from the World Menu it throws a MNU about PluggableIconListMorphOfMany.
Where can I load the PluggableIconListMorphOfMany class and friends?
Thanks!
-- Nick
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It's probably the point. Because since I'm trying a lot of UI choices, I post tons of fixes :) Try with the last 1.3 image or the last RPackage image from Hudson, and it should work ( soon a one-click Nautilus image on Hudson ^^) Ben On Apr 11, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Did you try in the latest 1.3?
Stef
On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Nick Chen wrote:
Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote:
This feature should be available in Nautilus ;)
Just wait a bit ^^
Ben
Ben, thanks for the pointer! Haven't heard of Nautilus before but a quick search through the forums reveals that it's a "new browser" with a lot of nice features.
I tried the following to try to load it:
"Found this through http://forum.world.st/introducing-RPackage-td3326084.html" Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; package: 'ConfigurationOfRPackage'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRPackage) perform: #loadDefault.
Gofer new url: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Nautilus'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus'; load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNautilus) perform: #loadDefault.
But when I tried to start it from the World Menu it throws a MNU about PluggableIconListMorphOfMany.
Where can I load the PluggableIconListMorphOfMany class and friends?
Thanks!
-- Nick
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote:
It's probably the point.
Because since I'm trying a lot of UI choices, I post tons of fixes :) Try with the last 1.3 image or the last RPackage image from Hudson, and it should work ( soon a one-click Nautilus image on Hudson ^^)
Ben
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Did you try in the latest 1.3?
Stef
Thanks Stef and Ben. I did get it to work with the latest Pharo-1.3 core. It has a clean interface that I look forward to using it when it becomes official. I am not familiar enough with the Pharo Core -> Pharo Dev process so I was not able to get the Mercury Panel (if it works in Nautilus), the refactoring tools and navigation history to work. Actually, the project that I'm currently on also makes uses of some of the underlying components in Pharo-1.2 like Morphs and Editors so I can't really use the bleeding edge in Pharo-1.3. But I would like to use it soon. So some questions for you as core developers: 1) Do you have a API for Pharo-1.2? I know that you can do WorldMenu > Help and browse to Pharo > API Reference but there is nothing official there stating that those are the "official" APIs. 2) When do you expect to have an API freeze for Pharo-1.3? That way I can start porting what we to make sure that it works. Anyway back to O2. I'm in the process of getting the O2 packages to work. I've gotten them to load for the most part and from my own use they seem to work. I'll try to make the remaining failing/error tests pass and then post my initial changes. I already know that some things don't work like undo/redo but I (or someone else) can fix those later. Thanks! -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Thanks Stef and Ben. I did get it to work with the latest Pharo-1.3 core. It has a clean interface that I look forward to using it when it becomes official.
I am not familiar enough with the Pharo Core -> Pharo Dev process so I was not able to get the Mercury Panel (if it works in Nautilus), the refactoring tools and navigation history to work.
it does not. Ben will add refactoring support soon (matter of menus), navigation and search.
Actually, the project that I'm currently on also makes uses of some of the underlying components in Pharo-1.2 like Morphs and Editors so I can't really use the bleeding edge in Pharo-1.3. But I would like to use it soon. So some questions for you as core developers:
1) Do you have a API for Pharo-1.2? I know that you can do WorldMenu > Help and browse to Pharo > API Reference but there is nothing official there stating that those are the "official" APIs.
not that I know :)
2) When do you expect to have an API freeze for Pharo-1.3? That way I can start porting what we to make sure that it works.
1.3 is stable, really stable.
Anyway back to O2. I'm in the process of getting the O2 packages to work. I've gotten them to load for the most part and from my own use they seem to work. I'll try to make the remaining failing/error tests pass and then post my initial changes. I already know that some things don't work like undo/redo but I (or someone else) can fix those later.
I would not invest on O2. This is the past and it bends too much OB so have a look at nautilus the groups are working much better. Stef
Thanks!
-- Nick
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On 11 Apr 2011, at 15:57, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
2) When do you expect to have an API freeze for Pharo-1.3? That way I can start porting what we to make sure that it works.
1.3 is stable, really stable.
Quick question, what are the major changes planned for 1.3 and what is the (dreamed of/ideal/...) release plan? The website does not say anything ... -- Johan Fabry jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
2) When do you expect to have an API freeze for Pharo-1.3? That way I can start porting what we to make sure that it works.
1.3 is stable, really stable.
Quick question, what are the major changes planned for 1.3 and what is the (dreamed of/ideal/...) release plan? The website does not say anything ...
we were planning for - FileSystem but not sure it will be there may be loaded but not integrated - Rpackage but I need to take some time to concentrate for real - new browser but it depends on RPackage - Opal but there are still missing parts. - better announcements. Lot of little but important fixes Stef
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Thanks Stef and Ben. I did get it to work with the latest Pharo-1.3 core. It has a clean interface that I look forward to using it when it becomes official.
I am not familiar enough with the Pharo Core -> Pharo Dev process so I was not able to get the Mercury Panel (if it works in Nautilus), the refactoring tools and navigation history to work.
it does not. Ben will add refactoring support soon (matter of menus), navigation and search.
OK. I'll keep an eye on Nautilus. It is always nice to see changes being made to the browser to make it more the UI more functional and up-to-date.
Actually, the project that I'm currently on also makes uses of some of the underlying components in Pharo-1.2 like Morphs and Editors so I can't really use the bleeding edge in Pharo-1.3. But I would like to use it soon. So some questions for you as core developers:
1) Do you have a API for Pharo-1.2? I know that you can do WorldMenu > Help and browse to Pharo > API Reference but there is nothing official there stating that those are the "official" APIs.
not that I know :)
2) When do you expect to have an API freeze for Pharo-1.3? That way I can start porting what we to make sure that it works.
1.3 is stable, really stable.
I'll post on the mailing list if I have specific questions about the components that I'm using.
Anyway back to O2. I'm in the process of getting the O2 packages to work. I've gotten them to load for the most part and from my own use they seem to work. I'll try to make the remaining failing/error tests pass and then post my initial changes. I already know that some things don't work like undo/redo but I (or someone else) can fix those later.
I would not invest on O2. This is the past and it bends too much OB so have a look at nautilus the groups are working much better.
Stef
Agreed. I've invested just a few hours already so I decided to just finish it up. I've made the proposed fix available at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3992. Perhaps some other people might find it useful. Perhaps not, but that's OK too. :-) -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
excellent! Nick did you sign the license agreement. Stef On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Nick Chen wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Thanks Stef and Ben. I did get it to work with the latest Pharo-1.3 core. It has a clean interface that I look forward to using it when it becomes official.
I am not familiar enough with the Pharo Core -> Pharo Dev process so I was not able to get the Mercury Panel (if it works in Nautilus), the refactoring tools and navigation history to work.
it does not. Ben will add refactoring support soon (matter of menus), navigation and search.
OK. I'll keep an eye on Nautilus. It is always nice to see changes being made to the browser to make it more the UI more functional and up-to-date.
Actually, the project that I'm currently on also makes uses of some of the underlying components in Pharo-1.2 like Morphs and Editors so I can't really use the bleeding edge in Pharo-1.3. But I would like to use it soon. So some questions for you as core developers:
1) Do you have a API for Pharo-1.2? I know that you can do WorldMenu > Help and browse to Pharo > API Reference but there is nothing official there stating that those are the "official" APIs.
not that I know :)
2) When do you expect to have an API freeze for Pharo-1.3? That way I can start porting what we to make sure that it works.
1.3 is stable, really stable.
I'll post on the mailing list if I have specific questions about the components that I'm using.
Anyway back to O2. I'm in the process of getting the O2 packages to work. I've gotten them to load for the most part and from my own use they seem to work. I'll try to make the remaining failing/error tests pass and then post my initial changes. I already know that some things don't work like undo/redo but I (or someone else) can fix those later.
I would not invest on O2. This is the past and it bends too much OB so have a look at nautilus the groups are working much better.
Stef
Agreed. I've invested just a few hours already so I decided to just finish it up. I've made the proposed fix available at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3992. Perhaps some other people might find it useful. Perhaps not, but that's OK too. :-)
-- Nick
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
excellent!
Nick did you sign the license agreement.
Stef
Ah I thought that all code pushed to PharoInbox was already MIT by default. Anyway I think I found the license agreement. Is this one still up-to-date? <http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgree...; And is the fax number listed there i.e. 00 33 3 59 57 78 5 still the right one? I will fax it over today. Thanks! -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-Navigation-Navigation-History-in-System-Browser-t... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Ah I thought that all code pushed to PharoInbox was already MIT by default.
yes it is but we are paranoid and serious about it :)
Anyway I think I found the license agreement. Is this one still up-to-date? <http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/licenseDocuments/PharoSoftwareDistributionAgree...;
And is the fax number listed there i.e. 00 33 3 59 57 78 5 still the right one?
you are missing a digit Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50
I will fax it over today.
Thanks!
-- Nick
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