Hello, We would like to know if some of you use Nautilus groups functionality: dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work' user defined groups : from the menu, you can flatten the content of many packages and get all classes into the newly created group. We have the feeling that it is not used (or not a lot) and we think to replace it with another mechanism (for example, let the user define his/her 'favorites' classes / packages). Thanks for the feedback.
Hi Christophe, 2015-02-10 14:28 GMT+01:00 Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey@inria.fr>:
Hello,
We would like to know if some of you use Nautilus groups functionality:
- dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work'
I do not use dynamic groups.
- user defined groups : from the menu, you can flatten the content of many packages and get all classes into the newly created group.
I do not like to flatten
We have the feeling that it is not used (or not a lot) and we think to replace it with another mechanism (for example, let the user define his/her 'favorites' classes / packages).
+1 I would prefer to be able to save a regular expression (the one I enter in the text area above Package list) Cheers, #Luc
Thanks for the feedback.
I've never used the groups - mainly because I've never seen a sample workflow that I could copy, and my existing workflow is "sufficient" (which means I get a mess of windows plastered all over the screen as I follow sender&implementors, and could probably do better). btw, I've just spent 60 seconds trying to work out how to add an item to a group and could not. I don't even know what it groups - packages, classes, methods??? So I guess I ignored it, and once ignored, its a bit like that broken step in you building you always walk around without noticing. So discoverability of how to use it could be better, like something in the tooltip that "links" a more extensive tutorial on it, either in or out of image. cheers -ben On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Christophe,
2015-02-10 14:28 GMT+01:00 Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey@inria.fr
:
Hello,
We would like to know if some of you use Nautilus groups functionality:
- dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work'
I do not use dynamic groups.
- user defined groups : from the menu, you can flatten the content of many packages and get all classes into the newly created group.
I do not like to flatten
We have the feeling that it is not used (or not a lot) and we think to replace it with another mechanism (for example, let the user define his/her 'favorites' classes / packages).
+1
I would prefer to be able to save a regular expression (the one I enter in the text area above Package list)
Cheers,
#Luc
Thanks for the feedback.
Excerpts from Christophe Demarey's message of 2015-02-10 14:28:19 +0100:
We would like to know if some of you use Nautilus groups functionality: dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work'
do you mean 'last modified classes'? i use them. i find them much easier to use than having to type some regular expression to get the list i want. i wish they would work better though. for example, when i install new packages, i do not want them to show up in the 'last modified classes' maybe they can be placed in a separate group: 'last installed classes' also, when i create a new class, it does not show up until i add a method. which sometimes means i go have to search for the class by typing its name. i don't know what 'work' does, i never got anything when selecting that.
user defined groups : from the menu, you can flatten the content of many packages and get all classes into the newly created group.
i have not discovered this yet.
We have the feeling that it is not used (or not a lot) and we think to replace it with another mechanism (for example, let the user define his/her 'favorites' classes / packages).
how is that different from user defined groups? what i find important and useful about 'last modified classes' is that, as i work on many things, not only pharo, when i do get back to pharo, i can go: ok, where was i? then i click on 'last modified classes' and remember. without that i have to find some other way to remember before i can then type what i need to find the right classes. it may not be much, but having an easy way to see what i have been working on just feels more comfortable. greetings, martin. -- eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life -- chief engineer eKita.co pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org secretary beijinglug.org mentor fossasia.org foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com unix sysadmin Martin Bähr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/
Le 10 févr. 2015 à 16:39, Martin Bähr a écrit :
Excerpts from Christophe Demarey's message of 2015-02-10 14:28:19 +0100:
We would like to know if some of you use Nautilus groups functionality: dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work'
do you mean 'last modified classes'?
yes, sorry
We have the feeling that it is not used (or not a lot) and we think to replace it with another mechanism (for example, let the user define his/her 'favorites' classes / packages).
how is that different from user defined groups?
Well, it is not yet clear but at least, do not flatten all classes and keep packages.
having a simpler way to express here is my project would be good. For now the way to add a group is too complex. I would like to click on package and add it to a favorite list that is on the top I would love to get a group containing the class that were loaded (or not in the system). because often I load a configuration and I have no clue what have been loaded. Stef
Hello,
We would like to know if some of you use Nautilus groups functionality:
* dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work' * user defined groups : from the menu, you can flatten the content of many packages and get all classes into the newly created group.
We have the feeling that it is not used (or not a lot) and we think to replace it with another mechanism (for example, let the user define his/her 'favorites' classes / packages).
Thanks for the feedback.
Excerpts from Christophe Demarey's message of 2015-02-10 14:28:19 +0100:
dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work'
i just discovered a problem, in that when a group is selected, some important items are missing from the content menu. in particular, "add package..." it is entirely non-obvious that i need to have a package selected in order to add a new package which may be quite unrelated to the package i selected. what happened next was, that i thought "add group" is actually "add package" so i added a group and then wondered why, when creating a class, the template didn't have the package pre-set. it would probably better if all generic menu items, that is, those that don't act on a specific group are present in all menus in that panel. greetings, martin. -- eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life -- chief engineer eKita.co pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org secretary beijinglug.org mentor fossasia.org foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com unix sysadmin Martin Bähr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/
I don't use groups because already pharo implement a fair share of grouping mechanism. For my needs package tags serve me very well and I have not so far a practical need to group things from different packages. When I want to browser diffrent classes at the same time I use window groups and I am very happy with it. I also use the history mechanism of the system browser recently which I find useful for going back and forth. The next step for me would be to become more familiar with keyboard shortcuts to further optimise my workflow. But I work so slow because I am still very unfamiliar with pharo that I have no immediate need for it On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Martin Bähr < mbaehr@email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
Excerpts from Christophe Demarey's message of 2015-02-10 14:28:19 +0100:
dynamic groups: 'Last modified packages', 'Most viewed classes', 'Work'
i just discovered a problem, in that when a group is selected, some important items are missing from the content menu. in particular, "add package..."
it is entirely non-obvious that i need to have a package selected in order to add a new package which may be quite unrelated to the package i selected.
what happened next was, that i thought "add group" is actually "add package" so i added a group and then wondered why, when creating a class, the template didn't have the package pre-set.
it would probably better if all generic menu items, that is, those that don't act on a specific group are present in all menus in that panel.
greetings, martin.
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