Looking for Magritte example: MAAddress, MAPerson...
Hi guys long time ago Magritte was shipped with examples such as MAAddress and MAPerson. Does anybody have an idea? Stef
Le 19/04/2015 07:30, stepharo a écrit :
Hi guys
long time ago Magritte was shipped with examples such as MAAddress and MAPerson. Does anybody have an idea?
Stef
Hi, In my opinion, the lack of documentation is how to extend Magritte to fit your own object. For example, an object with two attributes (a string and an object with values taken from a collection). Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu
I have a collection of docs about Magritte I collected over time and made some examples when I was trying to get it integrated in one software. I took a while to wrap my mind around it and reading Luka's thesis was helpful. I also realized that there were missing pieces for some associations I wanted. Maybe we should start a shared effort on this in the form of a pillar book (maybe there is one somewhere already). QCMagritte is interesting but I do not feel like looking into it, as it is hard to wrap my mind around it. My main concern with Magritte at this point is that it takes significant effort to get a decent CRUD system working. What I have got is okay for prototyping but the UI seems very bland compared to what I can do using WATableReport extensions and Mold. This hasn't to be like that but as Quuve showed, one needs to make all of the subclassed parts and mechanisms to get it nice. This is really an area where we are lagging behind. It is annyoying since competing technologies do have what it takes to make decent crud systems. In TikiWiki CMS groupware, we've got a thing callned "trackers' : https://doc.tiki.org/Trackers Making a CRUD thing is very easy. Example: http://www.socius.be/Praktijkenbank or http://www.socius.be/Vacatures is all done with trackers. (that's the presentation side, the admin side works nicely with checks and workflows). Time to do the whole site was something like 2-3 months for 2 people. Good CRUD ability is what most people are looking for in web frameworks and we are a bit lagging here. In Python we get http://www.pythondiary.com/tutorials/simple-crud-app-django.html We need to get this working. Phil On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Hilaire <hilaire@drgeo.eu> wrote:
Le 19/04/2015 07:30, stepharo a écrit :
Hi guys
long time ago Magritte was shipped with examples such as MAAddress and MAPerson. Does anybody have an idea?
Stef
Hi,
In my opinion, the lack of documentation is how to extend Magritte to fit your own object. For example, an object with two attributes (a string and an object with values taken from a collection).
Hilaire
-- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu
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On 19/04/15 12:59, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
My main concern with Magritte at this point is that it takes significant effort to get a decent CRUD system working.
That is exactly what we provide with QCMagritte. And yes, it is difficult to find out where to make changes, because the number of interacting parts is rather large. The essential complexity when integrating rights and roles, i18n, bootstrapping the components, providing a navigation model, and ajaxifying, is larger. If you try integrating these yourself in Magritte, you'll end up with mostly the same abstractions, or a lot of duplication Stephan
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
On 19/04/15 12:59, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
My main concern with Magritte at this point is that it takes significant effort to get a decent CRUD system working.
That is exactly what we provide with QCMagritte. And yes, it is difficult to find out where to make changes, because the number of interacting parts is rather large.
The essential complexity when integrating rights and roles, i18n, bootstrapping the components, providing a navigation model, and ajaxifying, is larger. If you try integrating these yourself in Magritte, you'll end up with mostly the same abstractions, or a lot of duplication
Ok. Now, I've been watching almost all of your videos but still can't get a hand on the thing. Maybe could we do a paired session with a walkthrough, record all of it and push it on YouTube. What do you think? I am educated enough on Magritte to follow I think. Magritte is powerful but comes with the uber-frustration factor :-) Let's alleviate that. Phil
Stephan
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On 19/04/15 13:58, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Ok. Now, I've been watching almost all of your videos but still can't get a hand on the thing.
Yes, finding the right level between very deep technical (the first one) and just showing the things we made really easy (the later ones) is difficult. There is a frustrating gap in the middle. It doesn't help that Diego is very busy with non-pharo things atm, and that I have a few points that I would like to improve before explaining them...
Maybe could we do a paired session with a walkthrough, record all of it and push it on YouTube.
What do you think? I am educated enough on Magritte to follow I think.
Sounds like a good idea. I'll talk to Diego.
Magritte is powerful but comes with the uber-frustration factor :-) Let's alleviate that.
Yes, finding your way in Magritte is difficult. We need some kind of cookbook. I'm playing on too many chessboards at the same time atm, and the lack of finishing is frustrating. Stephan
Magritte is powerful but comes with the uber-frustration factor :-) Let's alleviate that.
Yes, finding your way in Magritte is difficult. We need some kind of cookbook. I'm playing on too many chessboards at the same time atm, and the lack of finishing is frustrating.
I know that feeling ;)
Stephan
I've put several files that I do have on Magritte here: https://github.com/philippeback/Magritte3Doc Check the Resources/ folder. Now, there are other things available on slideshare etc that I should download and store there. PRs welcome. (yeah, binary files in GH) Phil On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
On 19/04/15 13:58, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Ok. Now, I've been watching almost all of your videos but still can't get a hand on the thing.
Yes, finding the right level between very deep technical (the first one) and just showing the things we made really easy (the later ones) is difficult. There is a frustrating gap in the middle. It doesn't help that Diego is very busy with non-pharo things atm, and that I have a few points that I would like to improve before explaining them...
Maybe could we do a paired session with a walkthrough, record all of it
and push it on YouTube.
What do you think? I am educated enough on Magritte to follow I think.
Sounds like a good idea. I'll talk to Diego.
Magritte is powerful but comes with the uber-frustration factor :-)
Let's alleviate that.
Yes, finding your way in Magritte is difficult. We need some kind of cookbook. I'm playing on too many chessboards at the same time atm, and the lack of finishing is frustrating.
Stephan
Ok. Now, I've been watching almost all of your videos but still can't get a hand on the thing.
I had the same feeling. I probably missed the key point
Maybe could we do a paired session with a walkthrough, record all of it and push it on YouTube.
What do you think? I am educated enough on Magritte to follow I think.
Would be so great. I would turn it into a doc after.
Magritte is powerful but comes with the uber-frustration factor :-) Let's alleviate that.
Phil
Stephan
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Le 19/4/15 13:59, phil@highoctane.be a écrit :
I have a collection of docs about Magritte I collected over time and made some examples when I was trying to get it integrated in one software.
I took a while to wrap my mind around it and reading Luka's thesis was helpful.
I also realized that there were missing pieces for some associations I wanted.
Maybe we should start a shared effort on this in the form of a pillar book (maybe there is one somewhere already).
Yes this would be so great. I would like to port the tutorial lukas wrote to Magritte3 to get refreshed with Magritte.
QCMagritte is interesting but I do not feel like looking into it, as it is hard to wrap my mind around it.
My main concern with Magritte at this point is that it takes significant effort to get a decent CRUD system working. What I have got is okay for prototyping but the UI seems very bland compared to what I can do using WATableReport extensions and Mold. This hasn't to be like that but as Quuve showed, one needs to make all of the subclassed parts and mechanisms to get it nice.
This is really an area where we are lagging behind.
It is annyoying since competing technologies do have what it takes to make decent crud systems.
In TikiWiki CMS groupware, we've got a thing callned "trackers' : https://doc.tiki.org/Trackers
Making a CRUD thing is very easy. Example: http://www.socius.be/Praktijkenbank or http://www.socius.be/Vacatures is all done with trackers. (that's the presentation side, the admin side works nicely with checks and workflows).
Time to do the whole site was something like 2-3 months for 2 people.
Good CRUD ability is what most people are looking for in web frameworks and we are a bit lagging here.
Yes sadly :( But the "soup of stones" only works when people put items on the top
In Python we get http://www.pythondiary.com/tutorials/simple-crud-app-django.html
We need to get this working.
Phil
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Hilaire <hilaire@drgeo.eu <mailto:hilaire@drgeo.eu>> wrote:
Le 19/04/2015 07:30, stepharo a écrit : > Hi guys > > long time ago Magritte was shipped with examples such as MAAddress and > MAPerson. > Does anybody have an idea? > > Stef > > >
Hi,
In my opinion, the lack of documentation is how to extend Magritte to fit your own object. For example, an object with two attributes (a string and an object with values taken from a collection).
Hilaire
-- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu
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On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:59 AM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Good CRUD ability is what most people are looking for in web frameworks and we are a bit lagging here.
I extracted out an example store, from the work Iâve been doing, to put together a presentation for our local Smalltalk user group (http://www.smalltalk.ca/meeting-notes.html). My plan was to put it out as a starter CRUD framework. Itâs far from a full CRUD framework, but it does have single sign-on via (Zinc-SSO), a model with two classes and a one-many relationship. The Mustache framework allows it to be skinned easily with TwitterBootstrap. Iâll try to make it happen sooner, but Iâve only got a time budget of 8 hours a week for Pharo work.
Thanks yanni! Le 19/4/15 20:34, Yanni Chiu a écrit :
On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:59 AM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Good CRUD ability is what most people are looking for in web frameworks and we are a bit lagging here.
I extracted out an example store, from the work Iâve been doing, to put together a presentation for our local Smalltalk user group (http://www.smalltalk.ca/meeting-notes.html). My plan was to put it out as a starter CRUD framework. Itâs far from a full CRUD framework, but it does have single sign-on via (Zinc-SSO), a model with two classes and a one-many relationship. The Mustache framework allows it to be skinned easily with TwitterBootstrap.
Iâll try to make it happen sooner, but Iâve only got a time budget of 8 hours a week for Pharo work.
philippeback wrote
This is really an area where we are lagging behind.
It is annyoying since competing technologies do have what it takes to make decent crud systems.
Good CRUD ability is what most people are looking for in web frameworks and we are a bit lagging here.
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MagritteMagic is just such an app. I fixed the configuration and now you can load it from the config browser. HTH ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Looking-for-Magritte-example-MAAddress-MAPerson-tp4820... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Thanks leaving on vacation.... soon but I will remember it Le 25/4/15 19:48, Sean P. DeNigris a écrit :
MagritteMagic is just such an app. I fixed the configuration and now you can load it from the config browser. HTH
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