Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de wrote:
Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship: First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> ). I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this? Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician. One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest. Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that. sebastian@flowingconcept.com wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM,
jtuchel@
wrote:
Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto:
horrido.hobbies@
>
Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto:
pharo-users@.pharo
>
http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest. However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a certain result. The words you choose have consequences. From the handle you choose to label yourself by, to the words you choose to describe Smalltalk or Pharo. You are a free person, living in a free part of the world. You make your choices for your words. And you accept the consequences of those choices. Whether for accolades or rebuke or somewhere in between. However, in this context you are also attempting to represent a larger community. You are attempting to represent and market Smalltalk and Pharo. There are many here who are a part of that community will also bear the consequences of words chosen by members of this community. To my understanding all that is being asked is. Look at the big picture. Choose your words, handles, labels wisely. Is it politically correct or intellectually dishonest to call you Richard? Can you not be intellectually and artistically honest and choose words for who you are and who you are writing to and for? Are there no other handles which are just as appropriate for you but are better in this context? I think it can often be just as intellectually dishonest to say, "tough", "deal with it". I like these words and I do not want to make an effort to choose others. It is not the English language that constrains. Regarding Paris. My heart and prayers go out to the people of France. You are not writing political satire. You are attempting to make certain technical, business, policy, ... arguments to market the adoption of Smalltalk and Pharo. You are not being attacked at all. You are simply being advised of consequences to certain choices. Choose. Choose well. For the consequences good or bad, are yours. Jimmie On 1/18/2015 10:16 AM, horrido wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician.
One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest.
Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that.
sebastian@flowingconcept.com wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@ wrote: Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto: horrido.hobbies@ > Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto: pharo-users@.pharo > http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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You make some valid points. I shall reconsider my position. However, the articles I write, such as "The Smalltalk Revolution" and "Dart is Dead", as well as my "stream of consciousness" blog at Tumblr, must remain true to my style. Artistically, I have no choice. I'd like to make one further note: the handle Generalissimo was NOT selected from the Italian army during WWII. So no one should take offence here. It was used in an excellent Chinese film called " Back to 1942 <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12> ", which impressed me so much that I glommed onto the handle. If you think this reflects poorly on everyone, then I apologize. Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest.
However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a certain result.
The words you choose have consequences. From the handle you choose to label yourself by, to the words you choose to describe Smalltalk or Pharo.
You are a free person, living in a free part of the world. You make your choices for your words. And you accept the consequences of those choices. Whether for accolades or rebuke or somewhere in between. However, in this context you are also attempting to represent a larger community. You are attempting to represent and market Smalltalk and Pharo. There are many here who are a part of that community will also bear the consequences of words chosen by members of this community.
To my understanding all that is being asked is. Look at the big picture. Choose your words, handles, labels wisely.
Is it politically correct or intellectually dishonest to call you Richard? Can you not be intellectually and artistically honest and choose words for who you are and who you are writing to and for? Are there no other handles which are just as appropriate for you but are better in this context?
I think it can often be just as intellectually dishonest to say, "tough", "deal with it". I like these words and I do not want to make an effort to choose others.
It is not the English language that constrains.
Regarding Paris. My heart and prayers go out to the people of France.
You are not writing political satire. You are attempting to make certain technical, business, policy, ... arguments to market the adoption of Smalltalk and Pharo.
You are not being attacked at all. You are simply being advised of consequences to certain choices.
Choose. Choose well. For the consequences good or bad, are yours.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 10:16 AM, horrido wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician.
One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest.
Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that.
sebastian@
wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@ wrote: Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto: horrido.hobbies@ > Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto: pharo-users@.pharo > http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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As an USAmerican, I would not have associated Generalissimo with WWII. It is a common term for a leader in many Hispanic nations or armies. Many of them unfortunately are dictators. I also not being a WWII buff, was not familiar with horrido. It meant nothing to me and I didn't look. It was merely a label you were using to represent yourself. That is one of the interesting things about this list is it is very global in representation. So it is very difficult to know name associations that people will make. When representing ourselves we can make any choice we want, wise or not. But hopefully if we are doing something which represents some community (this or any other) we should make decisions within that context. Considering what has been learned about global perception. You might take the opportunity on your blog on an about page or something to educate as to what your chosen names represent, to you, whom they are representing. This could present an opportunity to educate on one of your favorite topics and to allow people who might otherwise have the wrong understanding to obtain the correct one for you and your context. Just some thoughts. Jimmie On 1/18/2015 11:22 AM, horrido wrote:
You make some valid points. I shall reconsider my position. However, the articles I write, such as "The Smalltalk Revolution" and "Dart is Dead", as well as my "stream of consciousness" blog at Tumblr, must remain true to my style. Artistically, I have no choice.
I'd like to make one further note: the handle Generalissimo was NOT selected from the Italian army during WWII. So no one should take offence here. It was used in an excellent Chinese film called " Back to 1942 <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12> ", which impressed me so much that I glommed onto the handle. If you think this reflects poorly on everyone, then I apologize.
Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest.
However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a certain result.
The words you choose have consequences. From the handle you choose to label yourself by, to the words you choose to describe Smalltalk or Pharo.
You are a free person, living in a free part of the world. You make your choices for your words. And you accept the consequences of those choices. Whether for accolades or rebuke or somewhere in between. However, in this context you are also attempting to represent a larger community. You are attempting to represent and market Smalltalk and Pharo. There are many here who are a part of that community will also bear the consequences of words chosen by members of this community.
To my understanding all that is being asked is. Look at the big picture. Choose your words, handles, labels wisely.
Is it politically correct or intellectually dishonest to call you Richard? Can you not be intellectually and artistically honest and choose words for who you are and who you are writing to and for? Are there no other handles which are just as appropriate for you but are better in this context?
I think it can often be just as intellectually dishonest to say, "tough", "deal with it". I like these words and I do not want to make an effort to choose others.
It is not the English language that constrains.
Regarding Paris. My heart and prayers go out to the people of France.
You are not writing political satire. You are attempting to make certain technical, business, policy, ... arguments to market the adoption of Smalltalk and Pharo.
You are not being attacked at all. You are simply being advised of consequences to certain choices.
Choose. Choose well. For the consequences good or bad, are yours.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 10:16 AM, horrido wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician.
One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest.
Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that.
sebastian@ wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@ wrote: Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto: horrido.hobbies@ > Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto: pharo-users@.pharo > http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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Excellent advice! I shall do exactly that. Again, I apologize if anyone was offended by my use of the world "blitzkrieg". I was trying to be clever and it obviously backfired on me. My love of WWII history should not paint me as a bad guy. To be honest, I had no idea that modern Germans still feel very touchy about the subject. As a Canadian growing up, my friends and I loved to play war, esp. WWII, and this has been ingrained into my character. I had a profound admiration for great tactics and strategy (which may also explain my love of chess), and there's no question that blitzkrieg ranked high in that regard. Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
As an USAmerican, I would not have associated Generalissimo with WWII. It is a common term for a leader in many Hispanic nations or armies. Many of them unfortunately are dictators.
I also not being a WWII buff, was not familiar with horrido. It meant nothing to me and I didn't look. It was merely a label you were using to represent yourself.
That is one of the interesting things about this list is it is very global in representation. So it is very difficult to know name associations that people will make.
When representing ourselves we can make any choice we want, wise or not. But hopefully if we are doing something which represents some community (this or any other) we should make decisions within that context.
Considering what has been learned about global perception. You might take the opportunity on your blog on an about page or something to educate as to what your chosen names represent, to you, whom they are representing. This could present an opportunity to educate on one of your favorite topics and to allow people who might otherwise have the wrong understanding to obtain the correct one for you and your context.
Just some thoughts.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 11:22 AM, horrido wrote:
You make some valid points. I shall reconsider my position. However, the articles I write, such as "The Smalltalk Revolution" and "Dart is Dead", as well as my "stream of consciousness" blog at Tumblr, must remain true to my style. Artistically, I have no choice.
I'd like to make one further note: the handle Generalissimo was NOT selected from the Italian army during WWII. So no one should take offence here. It was used in an excellent Chinese film called " Back to 1942 <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12>; ", which impressed me so much that I glommed onto the handle. If you think this reflects poorly on everyone, then I apologize.
Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest.
However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a certain result.
The words you choose have consequences. From the handle you choose to label yourself by, to the words you choose to describe Smalltalk or Pharo.
You are a free person, living in a free part of the world. You make your choices for your words. And you accept the consequences of those choices. Whether for accolades or rebuke or somewhere in between. However, in this context you are also attempting to represent a larger community. You are attempting to represent and market Smalltalk and Pharo. There are many here who are a part of that community will also bear the consequences of words chosen by members of this community.
To my understanding all that is being asked is. Look at the big picture. Choose your words, handles, labels wisely.
Is it politically correct or intellectually dishonest to call you Richard? Can you not be intellectually and artistically honest and choose words for who you are and who you are writing to and for? Are there no other handles which are just as appropriate for you but are better in this context?
I think it can often be just as intellectually dishonest to say, "tough", "deal with it". I like these words and I do not want to make an effort to choose others.
It is not the English language that constrains.
Regarding Paris. My heart and prayers go out to the people of France.
You are not writing political satire. You are attempting to make certain technical, business, policy, ... arguments to market the adoption of Smalltalk and Pharo.
You are not being attacked at all. You are simply being advised of consequences to certain choices.
Choose. Choose well. For the consequences good or bad, are yours.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 10:16 AM, horrido wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician.
One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest.
Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that.
sebastian@ wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@ wrote: Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto: horrido.hobbies@ > Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto: pharo-users@.pharo > http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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Personally I think that there need to be people who expert and knowledgeable of WWII. You are not a bad guy for loving history. I believe we must understand history in order to not repeat its mistakes. However as an American I have no understanding of how those in Europe feel about some of these terms. I also know that these terms are not unique to Germany, Italy or WWII. American football uses the term blitz probably most every game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitz_(gridiron_football) Just as you educated us here as to your context and reference. Educate your audience on your other forums. Everybody wins. Truth, intellectual and artistic integrity win. This is the best way to combat hyper-sensitivity and political correctness. Negative context do not own the definition of these words. But we do need to demonstrate that they are being used in a different context. Also, a thought. You might consider putting a signature and a link to your about or educational pages about your handles in your emails. That way someone new to you can learn. And thank you for the passion to help in the marketing of Smalltalk and Pharo. Jimmie On 1/18/2015 2:02 PM, horrido wrote:
Excellent advice! I shall do exactly that.
Again, I apologize if anyone was offended by my use of the world "blitzkrieg". I was trying to be clever and it obviously backfired on me.
My love of WWII history should not paint me as a bad guy. To be honest, I had no idea that modern Germans still feel very touchy about the subject. As a Canadian growing up, my friends and I loved to play war, esp. WWII, and this has been ingrained into my character. I had a profound admiration for great tactics and strategy (which may also explain my love of chess), and there's no question that blitzkrieg ranked high in that regard.
Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
As an USAmerican, I would not have associated Generalissimo with WWII. It is a common term for a leader in many Hispanic nations or armies. Many of them unfortunately are dictators.
I also not being a WWII buff, was not familiar with horrido. It meant nothing to me and I didn't look. It was merely a label you were using to represent yourself.
That is one of the interesting things about this list is it is very global in representation. So it is very difficult to know name associations that people will make.
When representing ourselves we can make any choice we want, wise or not. But hopefully if we are doing something which represents some community (this or any other) we should make decisions within that context.
Considering what has been learned about global perception. You might take the opportunity on your blog on an about page or something to educate as to what your chosen names represent, to you, whom they are representing. This could present an opportunity to educate on one of your favorite topics and to allow people who might otherwise have the wrong understanding to obtain the correct one for you and your context.
Just some thoughts.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 11:22 AM, horrido wrote:
You make some valid points. I shall reconsider my position. However, the articles I write, such as "The Smalltalk Revolution" and "Dart is Dead", as well as my "stream of consciousness" blog at Tumblr, must remain true to my style. Artistically, I have no choice.
I'd like to make one further note: the handle Generalissimo was NOT selected from the Italian army during WWII. So no one should take offence here. It was used in an excellent Chinese film called " Back to 1942 <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12>; ", which impressed me so much that I glommed onto the handle. If you think this reflects poorly on everyone, then I apologize.
Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest.
However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a certain result.
The words you choose have consequences. From the handle you choose to label yourself by, to the words you choose to describe Smalltalk or Pharo.
You are a free person, living in a free part of the world. You make your choices for your words. And you accept the consequences of those choices. Whether for accolades or rebuke or somewhere in between. However, in this context you are also attempting to represent a larger community. You are attempting to represent and market Smalltalk and Pharo. There are many here who are a part of that community will also bear the consequences of words chosen by members of this community.
To my understanding all that is being asked is. Look at the big picture. Choose your words, handles, labels wisely.
Is it politically correct or intellectually dishonest to call you Richard? Can you not be intellectually and artistically honest and choose words for who you are and who you are writing to and for? Are there no other handles which are just as appropriate for you but are better in this context?
I think it can often be just as intellectually dishonest to say, "tough", "deal with it". I like these words and I do not want to make an effort to choose others.
It is not the English language that constrains.
Regarding Paris. My heart and prayers go out to the people of France.
You are not writing political satire. You are attempting to make certain technical, business, policy, ... arguments to market the adoption of Smalltalk and Pharo.
You are not being attacked at all. You are simply being advised of consequences to certain choices.
Choose. Choose well. For the consequences good or bad, are yours.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 10:16 AM, horrido wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician.
One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest.
Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that.
sebastian@ wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@ wrote: Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto: horrido.hobbies@ > Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto: pharo-users@.pharo > http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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Please donât take it as self-censorship but as strategy on communication. Itâs fine that you have a taste for history but you need to calculate the way you make rapport (or not) with your audience and donât let it interfere too much with your message. I donât feel your inner sophisticated handle was helping you to convey your signal You are showing that you are a good listener, thatâs really great! Keep up the good work!
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:02 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent advice! I shall do exactly that.
Again, I apologize if anyone was offended by my use of the world "blitzkrieg". I was trying to be clever and it obviously backfired on me.
My love of WWII history should not paint me as a bad guy. To be honest, I had no idea that modern Germans still feel very touchy about the subject. As a Canadian growing up, my friends and I loved to play war, esp. WWII, and this has been ingrained into my character. I had a profound admiration for great tactics and strategy (which may also explain my love of chess), and there's no question that blitzkrieg ranked high in that regard.
Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
As an USAmerican, I would not have associated Generalissimo with WWII. It is a common term for a leader in many Hispanic nations or armies. Many of them unfortunately are dictators.
I also not being a WWII buff, was not familiar with horrido. It meant nothing to me and I didn't look. It was merely a label you were using to represent yourself.
That is one of the interesting things about this list is it is very global in representation. So it is very difficult to know name associations that people will make.
When representing ourselves we can make any choice we want, wise or not. But hopefully if we are doing something which represents some community (this or any other) we should make decisions within that context.
Considering what has been learned about global perception. You might take the opportunity on your blog on an about page or something to educate as to what your chosen names represent, to you, whom they are representing. This could present an opportunity to educate on one of your favorite topics and to allow people who might otherwise have the wrong understanding to obtain the correct one for you and your context.
Just some thoughts.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 11:22 AM, horrido wrote:
You make some valid points. I shall reconsider my position. However, the articles I write, such as "The Smalltalk Revolution" and "Dart is Dead", as well as my "stream of consciousness" blog at Tumblr, must remain true to my style. Artistically, I have no choice.
I'd like to make one further note: the handle Generalissimo was NOT selected from the Italian army during WWII. So no one should take offence here. It was used in an excellent Chinese film called " Back to 1942 <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12> <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113822/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_12>>; ", which impressed me so much that I glommed onto the handle. If you think this reflects poorly on everyone, then I apologize.
Jimmie Houchin-5 wrote
I do not think anybody is trying to compel you to be politically correct or intellectually dishonest.
However, most of what you have been doing is being done in the name of marketing. When marketing you choose what words you use and what words you don't use. You choose in order to effect a certain result.
The words you choose have consequences. From the handle you choose to label yourself by, to the words you choose to describe Smalltalk or Pharo.
You are a free person, living in a free part of the world. You make your choices for your words. And you accept the consequences of those choices. Whether for accolades or rebuke or somewhere in between. However, in this context you are also attempting to represent a larger community. You are attempting to represent and market Smalltalk and Pharo. There are many here who are a part of that community will also bear the consequences of words chosen by members of this community.
To my understanding all that is being asked is. Look at the big picture. Choose your words, handles, labels wisely.
Is it politically correct or intellectually dishonest to call you Richard? Can you not be intellectually and artistically honest and choose words for who you are and who you are writing to and for? Are there no other handles which are just as appropriate for you but are better in this context?
I think it can often be just as intellectually dishonest to say, "tough", "deal with it". I like these words and I do not want to make an effort to choose others.
It is not the English language that constrains.
Regarding Paris. My heart and prayers go out to the people of France.
You are not writing political satire. You are attempting to make certain technical, business, policy, ... arguments to market the adoption of Smalltalk and Pharo.
You are not being attacked at all. You are simply being advised of consequences to certain choices.
Choose. Choose well. For the consequences good or bad, are yours.
Jimmie
On 1/18/2015 10:16 AM, horrido wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
Second, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to Political Correctness. I find it intellectually offensive to my very core. I guess that would make me a lousy politician.
One thing that no one can accuse me of is being intellectually dishonest.
Third, my self-censorship is hardly different from what Muslim terrorists were trying to achieve in Paris last week. Free expression should be protected (as long as it is not foul or vulgar). Any language you use will offend /someone somewhere/ at /some time/ in the world. I try to be sensible and I try to be artistically honest. This is reflected in my writings. There will always be people who find my style distasteful. There isn't much I can do about that.
sebastian@ wrote
Sometimes you want to polarise people but there is nothing interesting as output of this particular one, please consider review that inner joke Richard
So I agree, that this particular vocabulary will polarise people in an inconvenient way.
On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:30 AM, jtuchel@ wrote: Horrido,
You are aware that there are regions on this planet where mails containing vocabulary like Blitzkrieg or Genaralissimo will evoke reactions that will not help at ll. You are at risk to simply be ignored in the best case. In the worst case, people will hsake their heads and associate Smalltalk with a certain kind of political spam they receive from time to time.
Joachim
Von: horrido <mailto: horrido.hobbies@ > Gesendet: âSamstagâ, â17â. âJanuarâ â2015 â16â:â15 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <mailto: pharo-users@.pharo > http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/ <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/> <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/> <http://horridohobbies.tumblr.com/>>;
*Today is the one-month anniversary of the SRP.* We have made good progress, but there is still much work ahead of us.
Shortly, I will be seeking corporate sponsorship. As well, I'm trying to coordinate activities with the Smalltalk Foundation.
Later this summer, I will be pushing my "Small Minds Initiative," a sub-campaign of the SRP to get Smalltalk into the classroom. I will begin with the Toronto District School Board.
Are we pumped yet?!
Generalissimo
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On 18 Jan 2015, at 19:37, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian@flowingconcept.com> wrote:
Please donât take it as self-censorship but as strategy on communication.
Itâs fine that you have a taste for history but you need to calculate the way you make rapport (or not) with your audience and donât let it interfere too much with your message.
I donât feel your inner sophisticated handle was helping you to convey your signal
You are showing that you are a good listener, thatâs really great!
Honestly: He is *awful*.
Keep up the good work!
Do you really think that? Wow. Marcus
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
On 18 Jan 2015, at 19:37, Sebastian Sastre <
sebastian@
> wrote:
Please donât take it as self-censorship but as strategy on communication.
Itâs fine that you have a taste for history but you need to calculate the way you make rapport (or not) with your audience and donât let it interfere too much with your message.
I donât feel your inner sophisticated handle was helping you to convey your signal
You are showing that you are a good listener, thatâs really great!
Honestly: He is *awful*.
Keep up the good work!
Do you really think that? Wow.
Marcus
Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the past several weeks. The excitement is palpable. Up until recently, Smalltalk has been all but forgotten in the IT community at large. Do you need evidence? Consider that organizations such as the Smalltalk Foundation or ESUG have not achieved even this much in 9 months, or several years! Just how quick should progress be in your mind? You have no conception of the amount of work I've put into the SRP. You are quick to dismiss it all as, what, hot air? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Blitzkrieg-tp4800165p4800399.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I must be old and jaded, or living like a recluse, because I donât recall anything special beyond an article in Medium, the link to it in ycombinator, and a couple of posts on wordpress . Could you help me out and point me the rest? TIA.
On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:56, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the past several weeks. The excitement is palpable.
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
What does the wife of a public relations expert do when she has insomnia? She rolls over and says, âTell me again, darling, just what is it that you do for a living?â
On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:14, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
I must be old and jaded, or living like a recluse, because I donât recall anything special beyond an article in Medium, the link to it in ycombinator, and a couple of posts on wordpress . Could you help me out and point me the rest? TIA.
On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:56, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the past several weeks. The excitement is palpable.
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
Hehe ⦠good joke. But seriously, I would like to know what I missed.
On Jan 19, 2015, at 17:33, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
What does the wife of a public relations expert do when she has insomnia?
She rolls over and says, âTell me again, darling, just what is it that you do for a living?â
On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:14, Johan Fabry <jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
I must be old and jaded, or living like a recluse, because I donât recall anything special beyond an article in Medium, the link to it in ycombinator, and a couple of posts on wordpress . Could you help me out and point me the rest? TIA.
On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:56, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the past several weeks. The excitement is palpable.
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <---
Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:56 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the past several weeks. The excitement is palpable.
Up until recently, Smalltalk has been all but forgotten in the IT community at large. Do you need evidence?
Consider that organizations such as the Smalltalk Foundation or ESUG have not achieved even this much in 9 months, or several years! Just how quick should progress be in your mind?
The thing is... by over-promoting yourself, you implicitly put down these groups, which consist of the very same people that are the leaders of this community. That is not very astute. You are not marketing yourself very well to the community you purport to represent.
You have no conception of the amount of work I've put into the SRP. You are quick to dismiss it all as, what, hot air?
The other thing is... you don't see much other people on the list bemoaning that they've done so much. Constructively, I'd ask you to pay attention to this... http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool -ben P.S. Earlier I meant to provide you this link to the "Blub Paradox", you might like to refer to in your writings. http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
As a german living in France I feel insulted. Marcus
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido <
horrido.hobbies@
> wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
As a german living in France I feel insulted.
Marcus
Wow, you really have a problem with me being a WWII buff?? I should feel insulted. You do realize that I'm not the only WWII buff on the planet, right? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Blitzkrieg-tp4800165p4800397.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
This might be a robot, with all his weird handles, and strange talk, we have had some trouble with robots trolling the lists. Then again, he violates the first law of robotics, 'A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm', so he must be human.
On 19 Jan 2015, at 16:45, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido <
horrido.hobbies@
> wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636>; ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this?
As a german living in France I feel insulted.
Marcus
Wow, you really have a problem with me being a WWII buff?? I should feel insulted.
You do realize that I'm not the only WWII buff on the planet, right?
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I think this whole discussion is about te get completely out of control. Anyone who wants to help promote Smalltalk in the IT world is welcome - whether he or she has been in the Community for ages or came to it just the other day. Richard has been doing Smalltalk for quite a few years now, so we can assume he knows what he's talking about. All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody. Let the facts speak and let's convince people with facts and deeds. Richard, you make very strong claims about your achievements and plans. There is nothing wrong with having plans, and we even love to see results. Maybe you can share some facts before you say things like "I achieved more in a few weeks than ESUG achieved in years". I'd be curious to see what you are talking about and I guess I am not alone. It would be great if what you say is true. Because it would mean you achieved something that many people have tried over the years now. So: just stop mixing your fascination for WWII and your efforts to promote Smalltalk. I guess this will be very helpful in finding people who cooperate and contribute - far more than the direction of this discussion thread seems to point to. Joachim
2015-01-19 17:48 GMT+01:00 jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> :
Maybe you can share some facts before you say things like "I achieved more in a few weeks than ESUG achieved in years". I'd be curious to see what you are talking about and I guess I am not alone.
sure, I am curious too! Luc
On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de wrote:
All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody.
I am sorry, Joachim, but that is not true: he just said (ok, implicitly) that ESUG is worthless. And he said many more quite hurtful things by stating 'facts' or comparing (as equal or unequal) or rating different projects. Yes, since he wrote his first 'essay', it seems that he knows more or less what Smalltalk is, further than that I am sceptical.
Sven, I got Richardâs message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full post⦠Joachim Von: Sven Van Caekenberghe Gesendet: âMontagâ, â19â. âJanuarâ â2015 â19â:â17 An: Any question about pharo is welcome
On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de wrote:
All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody.
I am sorry, Joachim, but that is not true: he just said (ok, implicitly) that ESUG is worthless. And he said many more quite hurtful things by stating 'facts' or comparing (as equal or unequal) or rating different projects. Yes, since he wrote his first 'essay', it seems that he knows more or less what Smalltalk is, further than that I am sceptical.
Le 19/1/15 14:14, Marcus Denker a écrit :
On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship:
First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> ).
I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize for this? As a german living in France I feel insulted.
you should not marcus. German strategy was much smarter than french arrogance with the idiot maginot line :) (I know I'm french) Now this has nothing to do with this mailing-list. So we should stop this thread for real now.
Marcus
Steph, I completely agree. This type of hyperbole makes the casual observer think that the Smalltalk community can come off as petty. We're better than this. We should ALL have the goal of promoting Smalltalk. I know that a lot of you have and I applaud all of you for your efforts. The more the merrier. I personally welcome any and all exposure to the benefits of Smalltalk, if it's positive. I may not agree with everything that is promoted, but as long as it has the potential of converting people into looking at Smalltalk, regardless of the version, then I'm OK with that. So, I plead with everyone, both creators and critics, keep it civil, positive, and centered on the goal of promoting Smalltalk. (We can't eat our own and expect to survive). Brad Selfridge ----- Brad Selfridge -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Blitzkrieg-tp4800165p4800498.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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