Recent Pharo's seem to lose first keystroke when you swap to them to paste?
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work. This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo? I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it. Tim
Same bug on P11 with MacOS. On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well. Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
It would be handy to know if itâs just macOS - but Iâll write up an issue this evening. Thanks for confirming. Tim
On 27 May 2024, at 16:01, Koen De Hondt <koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote:
I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
I've submitted the issue https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/16700 and noted other comments On Mon, 27 May 2024, at 5:02 PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
It would be handy to know if itâs just macOS - but Iâll write up an issue this evening.
Thanks for confirming.
Tim
On 27 May 2024, at 16:01, Koen De Hondt <koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote: I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
Tx I did not know that pasting twice was working⦠How a strange bug. S
On 27 May 2024, at 22:32, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
I've submitted the issue https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/16700 and noted other comments
On Mon, 27 May 2024, at 5:02 PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
It would be handy to know if itâs just macOS - but Iâll write up an issue this evening.
Thanks for confirming.
Tim
On 27 May 2024, at 16:01, Koen De Hondt <koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote: I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes
It's very stange - and it seems many people experience it from comments on the submitted but - although it seems an OSX problem (so far) and one that has happened possibly in P9 or P10. Perhaps we can narrow it down enough to figure out the cause (and it occurs to me to see if GT has the same issue). Tim On Wed, 29 May 2024, at 12:29 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
Tx I did not know that pasting twice was working⦠How a strange bug.
S
On 27 May 2024, at 22:32, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
I've submitted the issue https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/16700 and noted other comments
On Mon, 27 May 2024, at 5:02 PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
It would be handy to know if itâs just macOS - but Iâll write up an issue this evening.
Thanks for confirming.
Tim
On 27 May 2024, at 16:01, Koen De Hondt <koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote: I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73
"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes
I've paid specific attention to my pastes when an (outside of Pharo) window is active... such as a web browser and I'm copying a URL, etc. I find I must select the Pharo window, THEN select the widget for the paste. If I just select the widget, it appears to be giving the window focus only, and if I then selecting the widget, the paste works fine. Hope this helps. Russ On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 9:03â¯AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
It's very stange - and it seems many people experience it from comments on the submitted but - although it seems an OSX problem (so far) and one that has happened possibly in P9 or P10.
Perhaps we can narrow it down enough to figure out the cause (and it occurs to me to see if GT has the same issue).
Tim
On Wed, 29 May 2024, at 12:29 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
Tx I did not know that pasting twice was working⦠How a strange bug.
S
On 27 May 2024, at 22:32, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
I've submitted the issue https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/16700 and noted other comments
On Mon, 27 May 2024, at 5:02 PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
It would be handy to know if itâs just macOS - but Iâll write up an issue this evening.
Thanks for confirming.
Tim
On 27 May 2024, at 16:01, Koen De Hondt <koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote:
I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73
"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes
-- Russ Whaley whaley.russ@gmail.com
Hi Russ (and others) - there is an update in the ticket, it looks like the meta key's state isn't been properly tracked due to how cocoa (macos) propogates events to the sdlc library (or something like that). Pablo has spotted something he thinks might fix it - so fingers crossed on this. And thanks for everyone piping up - it makes the system better. Tim see. https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/16700 On Sat, 1 Jun 2024, at 3:45 PM, Russ Whaley wrote:
I've paid specific attention to my pastes when an (outside of Pharo) window is active... such as a web browser and I'm copying a URL, etc. I find I must select the Pharo window, THEN select the widget for the paste. If I just select the widget, it appears to be giving the window focus only, and if I then selecting the widget, the paste works fine.
Hope this helps. Russ
On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 9:03â¯AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
__ It's very stange - and it seems many people experience it from comments on the submitted but - although it seems an OSX problem (so far) and one that has happened possibly in P9 or P10.
Perhaps we can narrow it down enough to figure out the cause (and it occurs to me to see if GT has the same issue).
Tim
On Wed, 29 May 2024, at 12:29 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
Tx I did not know that pasting twice was working⦠How a strange bug.
S
On 27 May 2024, at 22:32, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
I've submitted the issue https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/16700 and noted other comments
On Mon, 27 May 2024, at 5:02 PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote:
It would be handy to know if itâs just macOS - but Iâll write up an issue this evening.
Thanks for confirming.
Tim
On 27 May 2024, at 16:01, Koen De Hondt <koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote: I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73
"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes
-- Russ Whaley whaley.russ@gmail.com
Itâs been happening for at least four years across updates of Pharo and MacOS. At first it seemed random, but it is now so frequent as to require pressing cmd-c twice, out of habit. On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 10:01 AM Koen De Hondt < koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote:
I have suffered from copy & paste issues like this for a long time, in P11 and P12. I always have trouble with copying text from an image. I am already used to pressing Command-C twice ð
I use a M2 Mac with MacOS 14.5, but it happened on earlier versions of MacOS as well.
Koen
On 27 May 2024, at 15:48, Noury Bouraqadi <bouraqadi@gmail.com> wrote:
Same bug on P11 with MacOS.
On May 27 2024, at 3:44 pm, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work.
This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo?
I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it.
Tim
Tim, Also Pharo10 has this bug (mac m2, sonoma). Thanks for your report! Cheers Davide On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 03:45:46 PM GMT+2, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: For a while I've noticed that every time I try and copy some text from a web browser or email and then paste it into pharo the first time it fails - and then thinking I didn't copy, I try it again and then realise that I have to paste twice - as the first one doesn't work. This didn't seem to do this in Pharo 9 (maybe 10) but its definitely the case in Pharo 11 and Pharo 12. This is on OSX (14.x) so I'm wondering if the same occurs in Windows or Linux or if its just my laptop? Its quite annoying and I'm wondering if it might be a side effect from the gradual UI changes in Pharo? I've looked in the issues tracker - but its a tricky thing to search for - and so I wanted to canvas experience and then will report it. Tim
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