Thanks Olivier You do not experiment UI glitches so this means that it probably depend on the OS version. S
On 8 Jun 2020, at 09:22, olivier auverlot <olivier.auverlot@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
The leaders of the Chromebooks are Asus, Acer and HP. I recommend you to choose a recent model with a powerfull x86 processor. Them support Chrome apps, Android apps and Crostini for Linux apps. This last mode allows running Pharo on Chrome OS. Avoid the low cost Chromebooks. The middle price for a good computer is around 600-700 euros.
In my case, I own a HP x360 14 (i5, 8 Go ram, 64 Go SSD, tactile screen, very good autonomy, backlight keyboard and very beautifull computer).
The best vendor in France is Gowizyou that is a Google official partner (https://gowizyou.com <https://gowizyou.com/>). They are very serious and work with administrations, schools, etc. You can buy online on the Gowizyou store.
Best regards Olivier ;-)
Le lun. 8 juin 2020 à 07:58, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> a écrit : I think that we will have to buy one of such device. What would be a good choice? I know Olivier runs pharo on his without problem, @olivier which Chrome book do you suggest us to buy?
S.
On 8 Jun 2020, at 00:40, tbrunz <wild.ideas@gmail.com <mailto:wild.ideas@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Pablo,
I'm seeing the same thing on a Chromebook "Pixelbook" Crostini (Linux) container:
Debian v9 ("stretch"), Linux kernel 4.9.0-12, recently updated. The system has 8GB RAM & 128GB SSD.
The ChromeOS version in 81.0.4044.141.
I'm running the latest Pharo Launcher, 2.0-2020.04.07, VM 5.0-202002121043.
Just opening Pharo Launcher, and without even launching an image, I'm seeing the same tearing and rendering problems as Jan. If I open the Settings dialog, it partially renders, and when I try to move the window, I get the tearing behavior.
And I was also able to run PL & images on this platform without problems in the past. (It's been at least a month since I tried running Pharo on a Chromebook.)
-Ted
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It's important to get a Chromebook with an Intel CPU. The ARM-based Chromebooks cannot run Crostini, so they do not have the option of running Linux containers -- so, no Pharo on ARM Chromebooks! Also, it's important to get a later model, in order to get a Linux kernel that supports containers on Chromebooks. Google does NOT update the Linux kernel in ChromeOS; it updates everything else, but not the kernel version. Be sure to get a model that is known to support Linux containers. (The reason is that Google heavily modifies the Linux kernel to support Chromebook hardware, and they don't have a good, automated system for applying & testing their modifications to later kernel versions. So.. no kernel updates -- only packages & applications get updates.) Newer Chromebook models have newer kernels; only newer kernels include container support, enabling them to run Pharo. But of course, since you will, in effect, be running two OSes on the system, you will want a more powerful CPU, more memory, and more SSD storage. As Olivier correctly points out, you should get a middle-level or upper-level Chromebook for this. I have a Google Pixelbook (the lowest of 3 versions) and it runs everything smoothly. His HP x360 14 is a very good model as well. Today there are many powerful Chromebooks to choose from. Just be aware of the considerations above. One more thing: Chromebooks not only run ChromeOS and "web apps", and now run Android apps, and with Crostini run Linux apps, you can install Wine (or Crossover) in Crostini and run Windows apps as well. (Everything except Mac apps.) -t -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
thanks. For us this is also a question ofâ¦. resources :) Because buying a machine is the cheap and easy part. So we will discuss to see what we do. S.
On 9 Jun 2020, at 03:43, tbrunz <wild.ideas@gmail.com> wrote:
It's important to get a Chromebook with an Intel CPU. The ARM-based Chromebooks cannot run Crostini, so they do not have the option of running Linux containers -- so, no Pharo on ARM Chromebooks!
Also, it's important to get a later model, in order to get a Linux kernel that supports containers on Chromebooks. Google does NOT update the Linux kernel in ChromeOS; it updates everything else, but not the kernel version. Be sure to get a model that is known to support Linux containers.
(The reason is that Google heavily modifies the Linux kernel to support Chromebook hardware, and they don't have a good, automated system for applying & testing their modifications to later kernel versions. So.. no kernel updates -- only packages & applications get updates.)
Newer Chromebook models have newer kernels; only newer kernels include container support, enabling them to run Pharo. But of course, since you will, in effect, be running two OSes on the system, you will want a more powerful CPU, more memory, and more SSD storage.
As Olivier correctly points out, you should get a middle-level or upper-level Chromebook for this. I have a Google Pixelbook (the lowest of 3 versions) and it runs everything smoothly. His HP x360 14 is a very good model as well. Today there are many powerful Chromebooks to choose from. Just be aware of the considerations above.
One more thing: Chromebooks not only run ChromeOS and "web apps", and now run Android apps, and with Crostini run Linux apps, you can install Wine (or Crossover) in Crostini and run Windows apps as well. (Everything except Mac apps.)
-t
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