Serge, I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow Regards, Bruno -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave Thanks, Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk@adinet.com.uy>:
Serge,
I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow
Regards, Bruno
-- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>:
Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave
Thanks,
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk@adinet.com.uy>:
Serge,
I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow
Regards, Bruno
-- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
Hi, Iâm also very interested in BP/Workflow apps. First to show my students what is a BPM system⦠but also to manage my personal routines (and more). I find NewWave very nice. I have to dig into BPMFlow and A4BP as I donât know them (nice document section btw). So thanks for bringing that up. I also thing we need to do it « a la smalltalk » and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ? I add the two other links to others BP/Workflow pharo implementations (NewWave and Workflow*): ** the one of Sebastijan https://github.com/skaplar/NewWave (include TaskIt processes which is cool) => I like it a lot. That is their first implementation and they have plans so it will be actively improved (sebatijarn may say more). ** the one of NetStyle https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow (but quite dependent on Seaside/Magritte UI - not TaskIt). https://github.com/cdrick65/Workflow (some modifications we didi so that it loads). Cheers, Cédrik * Iâm not the developer of them at all. Just following, testing.
Le 20 avr. 2019 à 23:32, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> a écrit :
Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>:
Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave
Thanks,
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk@adinet.com.uy>:
Serge,
I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow
Regards, Bruno
-- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
I cannot run the A4BP (Pharo 4 app) on osx. Btw, what is the link between Kendrick and A4BP https://github.com/A4BP/A4BP TIA, Cédrick
Le 21 avr. 2019 à 10:57, Cédrick Béler <cdrick65@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi,
Iâm also very interested in BP/Workflow apps.
First to show my students what is a BPM system⦠but also to manage my personal routines (and more).
I find NewWave very nice. I have to dig into BPMFlow and A4BP as I donât know them (nice document section btw). So thanks for bringing that up.
I also thing we need to do it « a la smalltalk » and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ?
I add the two other links to others BP/Workflow pharo implementations (NewWave and Workflow*):
** the one of Sebastijan https://github.com/skaplar/NewWave (include TaskIt processes which is cool) => I like it a lot. That is their first implementation and they have plans so it will be actively improved (sebatijarn may say more). ** the one of NetStyle https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow (but quite dependent on Seaside/Magritte UI - not TaskIt). https://github.com/cdrick65/Workflow (some modifications we didi so that it loads).
Cheers,
Cédrik
* Iâm not the developer of them at all. Just following, testing.
Le 20 avr. 2019 à 23:32, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> a écrit :
Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>:
Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave
Thanks,
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk@adinet.com.uy>:
Serge,
I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow
Regards, Bruno
-- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:03 AM Cédrick Béler <cdrick65@gmail.com> wrote:
I cannot run the A4BP (Pharo 4 app) on osx.
Yes you are right, we need to update the software to a more recent of Pharo.
Btw, what is the link between Kendrick and A4BP https://github.com/A4BP/A4BP
There is no relationship, I guess we reuse the template of the Kendrick project for this one. I fix the README file. A4BP is a BPMN engine built originally by Alvaro Jose Peralta. With A4BP, you can download a BPMN file, do a simulation with BPMSim and assess various aspects (static, dynamic) of a business process. There is some limited support for Process Mining also. We use Roassal to assess visually processes. We made a publication where we use A4BP to assess rescue processes after a disaster in 2015: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-24399-3_14 http://bergel.eu/MyPapers/Alva15-ISCRAM.pdf Regards, -- Serge Stinckwic h Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO) Sorbonne University (SU) French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD) U niversity of Yaoundé I, Cameroun "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich
Hi, yes, Iâm interested, too, in how we can get a workflow engine and a simple reification of a workflow model that can be used in a lot of scenarios.
Am 21.04.2019 um 10:57 schrieb Cédrick Béler <cdrick65@gmail.com>:
Hi,
Iâm also very interested in BP/Workflow apps.
First to show my students what is a BPM system⦠but also to manage my personal routines (and more).
I find NewWave very nice. I have to dig into BPMFlow and A4BP as I donât know them (nice document section btw). So thanks for bringing that up.
I also thing we need to do it « a la smalltalk » and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ?
That is something Iâm working on. In the IoT space this will become very important. We will have devices attached to a network that need to work together in a workflow scenario to solve a problem. We have the prerequisites for this, bringing devices into a network and manage them centrally. In the mid-term I want to use a workflow engine that can be adjusted to these needs. Norbert
I add the two other links to others BP/Workflow pharo implementations (NewWave and Workflow*):
** the one of Sebastijan https://github.com/skaplar/NewWave (include TaskIt processes which is cool) => I like it a lot. That is their first implementation and they have plans so it will be actively improved (sebatijarn may say more). ** the one of NetStyle https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow (but quite dependent on Seaside/Magritte UI - not TaskIt). https://github.com/cdrick65/Workflow (some modifications we didi so that it loads).
Cheers,
Cédrik
* Iâm not the developer of them at all. Just following, testing.
Le 20 avr. 2019 à 23:32, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> a écrit :
Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>:
Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave
Thanks,
Norbert
Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk@adinet.com.uy>:
Serge,
I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow
Regards, Bruno
-- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
Norbert,
yes, Iâm interested, too, in how we can get a workflow engine and a simple reification of a workflow model that can be used in a lot of scenarios. Can list some scenarios to tell you if BpmFlow can do it ?
BpmFlow can be integrated to regular Business Applications to add workflow capabilities to regular Applications. I'm working on one of this type of application right now (the documentation is being developed now so you will find some holes on it- after i finish the application i will finish the documentation). Check: https://bpmflow.gitbook.io/project/engineering-models/architecture-for-atop-...
That is something Iâm working on. In the IoT space this will become very important. We will have devices attached to a network that need to work together in a workflow scenario to solve a problem. We have the prerequisites for this, bringing devices into a network and manage them centrally. In the mid-term I want to use a workflow engine that can be adjusted to these needs.
In this case i think that devices will send information using services and the Workflow (on the server) will centralize that operation. I do not see any problem here but the definition of the Workflow itself. For example opening a Bank account from the mobile. This workflow will have to connect to different third parties applications through services. regards bruno
I also thing we need to do it « a la smalltalk » and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ?
What exactly do you want to split over multiple images ? It can be only applied to parallel tasks. 1) The execution of the workflow ? Task1 executed by VM1, Task2 executed by VM2 and so on ... 2) Task Assignment for different users ? Suppose there are 4 parallel task to be done in a workflow these task are split to different VMs. 3) Add here any other options to split over multiple VMs. BpmFlow does not support 1) for ScriptTasks, i think for this you will need a master VM to orchestrate the execution. Definitely 2) is supported, on the same BPM Process different user tasks can be executed by different VMs (remember Bpm Flow run on GemStone, it should be ported to Pharo first). I talking about a Frontoffice application here (different from case 1) where at the same time different users can take an available task (of the same BPM Process) to finish and eventually these tasks can be served by a different VMs. Actually 1) can be implemented in BpmFlow without a master VM. Let suppose that a one point N Script Tasks (long and complex scripts) are generated in the same BPM Process. Those Script Tasks can be put on a RcCollection (or a table if you use a RDB) and multiple VMs can access that collection and execute tasks. I just added this an issue: https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow/issues/845 Bpm Flow does something like this for Timer Events (events collection can be accessed by multiple VMs): https://bpmflow.gitbook.io/project/functional-and-technical-information/time... Regards, Bruno
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 9:24 PM BrunoBB <smalltalk@adinet.com.uy> wrote:
Serge,
I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss all here as Norbert request): A4BP https://github.com/A4BP BpmFlow https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow
Hi Bruno, I explained a little what is AB4P in another thread. My original question was that maybe we can combine our effort to have more impact. -- Serge Stinckwic h Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO) Sorbonne University (SU) French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD) U niversity of Yaoundé I, Cameroun "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich
Serge, I just read the PDF but i will need time to learn about other Workflow projects. But definitely in the long term we can collaborate but now i do not see any concrete step (because my lack of knowledge of the other projects). Maybe the more concrete step to do now is to ask how each project solved different BPM problems. So each project can benefit from the others experience. Not sure if a mail list is the best tool or we should create a Git wiki or something like that. It seems there at least 4 Smalltalk project working with workflows - good news ! regards bruno -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
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