**Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks
Dear Pharoers I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients - The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, - Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE - Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien - OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz? - Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, - Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? - Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier? So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. What do you think? I think that it is important. Stef
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
I think we should try this. IMO a task around SUnit & friends is missing. Laurent.
I think we should try this. IMO a task around SUnit & friends is missing.
sign in for it and lead it. What I would like is a small agenda so that other people can see what is happening and if they want to help join.
Laurent.
I think it is important a team working on application integration (Soap, rest servers, xml and binary rpc, C/Java/ .Net integration) for the enterprise pharo user :). On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>wrote:
I think we should try this. IMO a task around SUnit & friends is missing.
sign in for it and lead it. What I would like is a small agenda so that other people can see what is happening and if they want to help join.
Laurent.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name
Fuel
a topic
An object graph serializer
a coordinator
Mariano Martinez Peck
a group of interested participants,
Martin Dias
a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more),
- Pharo itself - persistency - SandstoneDB (already done). - Pier kernel persistency (already done). - Moose model import/export (already done). - Newspeak.
a little agenda,
Lot of open issues: http://code.google.com/p/fuel/issues/list
a web presence on the web page
http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Mariano could you add a page will all the information on the wiki? Stef
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name
Fuel
a topic
An object graph serializer
a coordinator
Mariano Martinez Peck
a group of interested participants,
Martin Dias
a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more),
- Pharo itself - persistency - SandstoneDB (already done). - Pier kernel persistency (already done). - Moose model import/export (already done). - Newspeak.
a little agenda,
Lot of open issues: http://code.google.com/p/fuel/issues/list
a web presence on the web page
http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name
DBXTalk
a topic
Smalltalk relational database suite of tools
a coordinator
Mariano Martinez Peck
a group of interested participants,
- Esteban Lorenzano - Diogenes Moreira - Guillermo Polito - Gisela Decuzzi - Santiago Bragagnolo
a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more),
Real applications needing relational databases.
a little agenda,
- Continue the development - PBE2 chapter - new website
a web presence on the web page
http://www.squeakdbx.org/ We need a new domain for dbxtalk and update lot of documentation. Consider it part of the agenda :)
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Are you trying to repeat experience of Squeak teams? I can remind you that they are never worked and failed in the end. And i think that problem is that its hard to coordinate people which are located around the globe and their main tasks are completely different. Another reason is that you cannot enforce any kind of responsibility for delaying or not delivering , because we're talking about enthusiasts. I believe that individual people with own vision and own, personal, agenda could do much more. If someone would like to voluntary coordinate some activities, i am all for it. Now this means that given person should have plan in his head and stick with it, and keep an eye, ask around, communicate, and of course try coordinate people. But is it really need to be formalized like that? We, as community could discuss the agendas, and then a concrete steps to implement it. Now, its not really matters who will do it, as long as there enough people interested in helping with it. And its completely pointless to form groups of individuals, only to be listed as a group member on site and doing nothing (for whatever objective reason). So, the right questions about any improvement, which we would like to see in future is: - do/why we need that - who can do that if both of these questions can be answered positively, then it is only a matter of time for new feature to appear. And to my opinion, putting any kind of formality around it is completely orthogonal to what will happen in reality. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
Hi, The idea of Pharo Tasks is not to get things rigid and to stop the individuals from contributing. This should continue to happen. Instead, the idea is to start acknowledging that Pharo has became larger, and that the integration and drive of individual contributions has more dimensions that can be handled by the core group alone. So, the Pharo Task Force is a mechanism for teams to form around some larger topics. Like I said beforetime, I want to work on the IDE. This is a topic that is larger than one person can and should do. But, it is also a topic that requires integration of contributions, and it won't work by simply doing a union of choices. Just like now the Core team relentlessly cleans up the language and infrastructure, so should the IDE deserve a similar approach to get it strong and reinvented. People should know that this project exists and that they can contribute in a more organized way. This won't work by force. But, if someone wants to build/lead/integrate a project like this, I think it can work nicely. Cheers, Doru On 1 Jul 2011, at 13:08, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Are you trying to repeat experience of Squeak teams? I can remind you that they are never worked and failed in the end.
And i think that problem is that its hard to coordinate people which are located around the globe and their main tasks are completely different. Another reason is that you cannot enforce any kind of responsibility for delaying or not delivering , because we're talking about enthusiasts.
I believe that individual people with own vision and own, personal, agenda could do much more. If someone would like to voluntary coordinate some activities, i am all for it. Now this means that given person should have plan in his head and stick with it, and keep an eye, ask around, communicate, and of course try coordinate people. But is it really need to be formalized like that?
We, as community could discuss the agendas, and then a concrete steps to implement it. Now, its not really matters who will do it, as long as there enough people interested in helping with it. And its completely pointless to form groups of individuals, only to be listed as a group member on site and doing nothing (for whatever objective reason).
So, the right questions about any improvement, which we would like to see in future is: - do/why we need that - who can do that
if both of these questions can be answered positively, then it is only a matter of time for new feature to appear. And to my opinion, putting any kind of formality around it is completely orthogonal to what will happen in reality.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Some battles are better lost than fought."
Don;t you think that I thought about that :)? Yes I did. Now don't you think that trying for real once more would not make sense? Else we are banned to be alone And just already making official was is working would be good. Every couple of friday the ocean people are coding together. Stef
Are you trying to repeat experience of Squeak teams? I can remind you that they are never worked and failed in the end.
And i think that problem is that its hard to coordinate people which are located around the globe and their main tasks are completely different. Another reason is that you cannot enforce any kind of responsibility for delaying or not delivering , because we're talking about enthusiasts.
I believe that individual people with own vision and own, personal, agenda could do much more. If someone would like to voluntary coordinate some activities, i am all for it. Now this means that given person should have plan in his head and stick with it, and keep an eye, ask around, communicate, and of course try coordinate people. But is it really need to be formalized like that?
We, as community could discuss the agendas, and then a concrete steps to implement it. Now, its not really matters who will do it, as long as there enough people interested in helping with it. And its completely pointless to form groups of individuals, only to be listed as a group member on site and doing nothing (for whatever objective reason).
So, the right questions about any improvement, which we would like to see in future is: - do/why we need that - who can do that
if both of these questions can be answered positively, then it is only a matter of time for new feature to appear. And to my opinion, putting any kind of formality around it is completely orthogonal to what will happen in reality.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
So....I've created a wiki page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams can you please help me to add the rest ??? I did it in a "table" way, but I am not sure if it is the best. In addition, some text explaining the idea would be nice :) thanks for the help On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
I think that what would be great is to have a list of next items Stef On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
So....I've created a wiki page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams can you please help me to add the rest ??? I did it in a "table" way, but I am not sure if it is the best.
In addition, some text explaining the idea would be nice :)
thanks for the help
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote: I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Doru can you add the page on morphic on this list? Marcus can you add a page to OPAL? with pending todo? Damien can you add one for Coral?
I added RPackage http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/RPackageRoadmap so that people can follow the effort. Stef Here is what I wrote. Introduction The current status is that RPackage works well with a one to one mapping package - category. Done: ⢠All the events have been migrated from systemNotifier to SystemAnnouncer?. The package SystemAnnouncement? is ready for inclusion. This means that RPackage does not rely on systemnotifier to keep its data in sync. This also means that SystemAnnouncer? can be folded in the system and that other tools can use it. And that we will be able to remove SystemNotifier?. Nautilus is only based on SystemNotifier?. ⢠A lot of tests. In addition tests are written in a way that the central RPackageOrganizer is not impacted by test running. ⢠Nautilus and Moose using RPackage. Nautilus is based on RPackage. Moose uses RPackage as a cache since months. ⢠Identification of the clients using PackageInfo?. We started to identify clients of PackageInfo? to prepare migration phase. Next steps: ⢠Clean RPackage (because some functionality were copied from PackageInfo?): ⢠Problem Gofer and the some package of RefactoringEngine? rely on this API ⢠Solution: include Refactoring packages in 1.4 and modify it there. In 1.4 we want OCompletion, Ecompletion and Refactoring in the image so this fits well. In subsequent versions we may republish them as separate packages. ⢠Adding Package Tags. Since people do not want (but have no time to do it - funny isn't) to have one -one mapping between category and package. We will add tags the idea is to be able to have classes sorted inside a package. Pack1 - Tag1 ClassA ClassB - Tag2 ClassC ClassD ClassA Pack2 - Tag1 - Tag3 ⢠MC shoud use RPackage to save information ⢠Tags should be saved in MC package ⢠New MC Browser
I would do it if you give me access to edit the page. Cheers, Doru On 24 Jul 2011, at 10:29, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Doru can you add the page on morphic on this list? Marcus can you add a page to OPAL? with pending todo? Damien can you add one for Coral?
I added RPackage http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/RPackageRoadmap so that people can follow the effort.
Stef
Here is what I wrote.
Introduction
The current status is that RPackage works well with a one to one mapping package - category.
Done:
⢠All the events have been migrated from systemNotifier to SystemAnnouncer?. The package SystemAnnouncement? is ready for inclusion. This means that RPackage does not rely on systemnotifier to keep its data in sync. This also means that SystemAnnouncer? can be folded in the system and that other tools can use it. And that we will be able to remove SystemNotifier?. Nautilus is only based on SystemNotifier?. ⢠A lot of tests. In addition tests are written in a way that the central RPackageOrganizer is not impacted by test running. ⢠Nautilus and Moose using RPackage. Nautilus is based on RPackage. Moose uses RPackage as a cache since months. ⢠Identification of the clients using PackageInfo?. We started to identify clients of PackageInfo? to prepare migration phase. Next steps:
⢠Clean RPackage (because some functionality were copied from PackageInfo?): ⢠Problem Gofer and the some package of RefactoringEngine? rely on this API ⢠Solution: include Refactoring packages in 1.4 and modify it there. In 1.4 we want OCompletion, Ecompletion and Refactoring in the image so this fits well. In subsequent versions we may republish them as separate packages. ⢠Adding Package Tags. Since people do not want (but have no time to do it - funny isn't) to have one -one mapping between category and package. We will add tags the idea is to be able to have classes sorted inside a package. Pack1 - Tag1 ClassA ClassB - Tag2 ClassC ClassD ClassA Pack2 - Tag1 - Tag3 ⢠MC shoud use RPackage to save information ⢠Tags should be saved in MC package ⢠New MC Browser
-- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
Hi guys I'm in town. Now I want to make clear the following: This idea is much more on having an effort to collect todo and manage to kill some of them regularly than to engage to for long task. As an example for the UI I would like - layout fixed so that glamour IDE can work - in place edit in list items (for example to be able to directly edit the protocol of a method in a sender list) - an option to get list showing only elements matching an input on the fly What you see is that we should have list of "simple" tasks that people can sign in for. The idea is that we should coordinate a bit to make progress. Stef On Jul 1, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Simon Denier
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com>wrote:
About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end.
Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? Laurent.
On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Simon Denier
On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com> wrote:
About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end.
Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me).
It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not seem so nice in the mountains.
With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ?
Laurent.
On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Simon Denier
-- Simon Denier
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com>wrote:
On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com>wrote:
About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end.
Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me).
It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not seem so nice in the mountains.
I'm still not back in Annecy. But I'm still on vacation next week and in Annecy, so there may be some time for a try ? For those interested, Tuesday (August, 2) there will be a SmallHarbour sprint with Romain in Annecy. Laurent.
With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ?
Laurent.
On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Simon Denier
-- Simon Denier
On 29 juil. 2011, at 11:51, laurent laffont wrote:
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com> wrote:
About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end.
Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me).
It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not seem so nice in the mountains.
I'm still not back in Annecy. But I'm still on vacation next week and in Annecy, so there may be some time for a try ?
I could be available the week-end of 6/7 and maybe it's best we continue in a private conversation :)
For those interested, Tuesday (August, 2) there will be a SmallHarbour sprint with Romain in Annecy.
Laurent.
With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ?
Laurent.
On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Dear Pharoers
I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.
Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.
What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page
If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients
- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,
- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE
- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien
- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?
- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,
- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?
- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?
So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.
What do you think? I think that it is important.
Stef
-- Simon Denier
-- Simon Denier
-- Simon Denier
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Guillermo Polito -
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laurent laffont -
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Simon Denier -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Tudor Girba