How can I help make installing Pharo easier (on Debian Wheezy)?
Hi all, Apologies if this is not the right place for this - I'm just getting started with Smalltalk and I had a lot of trouble when first trying to get going since the binaries on pharo.org don't work with Debian Wheezy's glibc (2.13, whereas Pharo is compiled against 2.15 IIRC). I tried compiling from the Github repository (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm), but it looks this needs an existing binary version of pharo to work in order to bootstrap the compilation. I eventually just used a virtualbox Ubuntu environment (14.04) and was able to install there. For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;) Thanks, Sloane Simmons
I have never compiled the VM myself so take any advice with a big grain of salt. First there is no 64 bit version of Pharo, there is work to port the VM to 64 bit and some first goals have been met but still a work in progress. Second in order to build the VM you will need firs VMMaker, basically what Squeak and Pharo do VM wise is use a special language called Slang which basically a C like smalltalk that compiles to ... well .... C , then you take the generate C source and compile the VM together with some hand made C code again for the VM. There is a post of Mariano for the Stack VM which is the old vm and the Cog VM which is the VM currently used by Squeak and Pharo that has the added advantage of JIT compiler which means much more speed. Mariano's post is old but it may still work for compiling for VM so here it is https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/tag/vmmaker/ I am still a newcomer to Pharo so if you want more help wait for some of the experienced pharo coders to reply On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Apologies if this is not the right place for this - I'm just getting started with Smalltalk and I had a lot of trouble when first trying to get going since the binaries on pharo.org don't work with Debian Wheezy's glibc (2.13, whereas Pharo is compiled against 2.15 IIRC). I tried compiling from the Github repository (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm), but it looks this needs an existing binary version of pharo to work in order to bootstrap the compilation. I eventually just used a virtualbox Ubuntu environment (14.04) and was able to install there.
For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;)
Thanks, Sloane Simmons
hi, you need to use this one: http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz it will do the work :) and yes, there is no 64bits version (yet) of the VM. It is planned for some point of next year (hopefully spring). cheers, Esteban On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I have never compiled the VM myself so take any advice with a big grain of salt. First there is no 64 bit version of Pharo, there is work to port the VM to 64 bit and some first goals have been met but still a work in progress.
Second in order to build the VM you will need firs VMMaker, basically what Squeak and Pharo do VM wise is use a special language called Slang which basically a C like smalltalk that compiles to ... well .... C , then you take the generate C source and compile the VM together with some hand made C code again for the VM. There is a post of Mariano for the Stack VM which is the old vm and the Cog VM which is the VM currently used by Squeak and Pharo that has the added advantage of JIT compiler which means much more speed. Mariano's post is old but it may still work for compiling for VM so here it is
https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/tag/vmmaker/
I am still a newcomer to Pharo so if you want more help wait for some of the experienced pharo coders to reply
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Apologies if this is not the right place for this - I'm just getting started with Smalltalk and I had a lot of trouble when first trying to get going since the binaries on pharo.org don't work with Debian Wheezy's glibc (2.13, whereas Pharo is compiled against 2.15 IIRC). I tried compiling from the Github repository (https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm), but it looks this needs an existing binary version of pharo to work in order to bootstrap the compilation. I eventually just used a virtualbox Ubuntu environment (14.04) and was able to install there.
For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;)
Thanks, Sloane Simmons
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;)
You have a few solutions solutions: 1/ try this http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I wrote: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits architectures) 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
Like this http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/ --- Philippe Back Visible Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;)
You have a few solutions solutions:
1/ try this http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I wrote: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits architectures) 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz
I'll give this another look; I had tried this and I think this was mostly working, but think I ran into some problems when using the latest image/sources with the old VM. (May have just been that I set things up properly, or was using an old image as well). I'll give it another go for bootstrapping.
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386
Was not aware of this; I'll also try this.
http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/
Upgrading glibc would really be a last resort (for me); I'd probably just upgrade my distro to unstable if doing this, but I *know* things will break.
4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: I've never tried Nix but I could give that package a shot as well.
Thanks for all of the responses! I'm still just working by through the Pharo by Example book, so for now I'm just focused on learning Smalltalk, but I'll use one of the methods above, and try to put together a package for Debian. Someone else may want to be the maintainer(?), but I'll do my best in getting it submitted, assuming that I can get it working on my machine first, of course ;). Regards, Sloane On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
Like this
http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;)
You have a few solutions solutions:
1/ try this http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I wrote: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits architectures) 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
On 16 Sep 2014, at 16:10, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz
I'll give this another look; I had tried this and I think this was mostly working, but think I ran into some problems when using the latest image/sources with the old VM. (May have just been that I set things up properly, or was using an old image as well). I'll give it another go for bootstrapping.
I have scheduled to build a new vm for old glibc⦠some moment this week, I hope. (I also have scheduled configure a job to automate that⦠I would try both, he) Esteban
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386
Was not aware of this; I'll also try this.
http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/
Upgrading glibc would really be a last resort (for me); I'd probably just upgrade my distro to unstable if doing this, but I *know* things will break.
4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: I've never tried Nix but I could give that package a shot as well.
Thanks for all of the responses! I'm still just working by through the Pharo by Example book, so for now I'm just focused on learning Smalltalk, but I'll use one of the methods above, and try to put together a package for Debian. Someone else may want to be the maintainer(?), but I'll do my best in getting it submitted, assuming that I can get it working on my machine first, of course ;).
Regards, Sloane
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
Like this
http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/
--- Philippe Back Visible Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos
High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium
Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k@gmail.com> wrote:
For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit version... ;)
You have a few solutions solutions:
1/ try this http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I wrote: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits architectures) 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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Damien Cassou -
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Sloane Simmons