Dear all, i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts. No Problems under Windows 7. Looks like a Problem with the VM. Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1? BW, Volkert -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
Hi, Iâm sorry, I never tested pharo on windows 8.1. and the only thing I can promise is that I will create a parallels image next weeks (a couple of them), with 8.1 to test it⦠Esteban On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
No Problems under Windows 7.
Looks like a Problem with the VM.
Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
BW, Volkert
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
Windows 8.1 here and zero problems. Now, I am using zeroconf, but that shouldn't be an issue. Phil â
My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work. On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
No Problems under Windows 7.
Looks like a Problem with the VM.
Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
BW, Volkert
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
@Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description. If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a note. BW, Volkert Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe:
My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0
I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.
On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
No Problems under Windows 7.
Looks like a Problem with the VM.
Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
BW, Volkert
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
-- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file? Maybe we can find the cause there. Regards, Phil On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, volkert@nivoba.de <volkert@nivoba.de> wrote:
@Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description.
If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a note.
BW, Volkert
Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe:
My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0
I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.
On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
No Problems under Windows 7.
Looks like a Problem with the VM.
Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
BW, Volkert
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
I would guess the image/vm is doing something IO related. What were you experimenting with ? What did you load ? Does it also happen in a clean image ? On 26 Aug 2014, at 19:24, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file?
Maybe we can find the cause there.
Regards, Phil
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, volkert@nivoba.de <volkert@nivoba.de> wrote: @Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description.
If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a note.
BW, Volkert
Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe: My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0
I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.
On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
No Problems under Windows 7.
Looks like a Problem with the VM.
Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
BW, Volkert
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
-- www.nivoba.de
"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
Hi, No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every day. If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue, not a vm problem. Did you check in the system event log ? (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage then go in system tools/events log and see the system and widows logs) HTH regards, Alain
Alain Rastoul wrote:
Hi,
No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every day. If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue, not a vm problem. Did you check in the system event log ? (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage then go in system tools/events log and see the system and widows logs)
HTH
regards,
Alain
Good thought. It may just be that Pharo reserves a lot of memory, and the next OS action hits a bad location. Just to establishing our footing, you might try memtest86. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memtest86 cheers -ben
volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
No Problems under Windows 7.
Looks like a Problem with the VM.
Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
BW, Volkert
Hi Volkert, I don't have Win 8.1 64-bit to test on, but to help reproducibility for others, could you provide the exact downloads you are using for VM and Image. Do you end up with a PharoDebug.log or crash.dmp file in any Pharo folder? cheers -ben
Le 27/08/2014 03:36, Ben Coman a écrit :
Hi Volkert,
I don't have Win 8.1 64-bit to test on, but to help reproducibility for others, could you provide the exact downloads you are using for VM and Image.
Do you end up with a PharoDebug.log or crash.dmp file in any Pharo folder?
cheers -ben
Volkert, Ben is right, knowing the origin of the binaries could help. If you have no confidential data or code in your Pharo image, you can zip your whole Pharo directory and upload the zip to a free upload service on the web (for example http://dl.free.fr/) and send us the link for download. We could test it with your binaries and also test your image with other binaries. HTH, regards Alain
Hi! On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
Some antivirus active? regards, Göran
Thanks for all the feedback. Hope to find some time tomorrow ... BW, Volkert Am 27.08.2014 um 07:54 schrieb Göran Krampe:
Hi!
On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
Some antivirus active?
regards, Göran
-- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
I think this was the reason. BW, Volkert Am 27.08.2014 um 07:54 schrieb Göran Krampe:
Hi!
On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, volkert@nivoba.de wrote:
Dear all,
i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
Some antivirus active?
regards, Göran
-- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
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