On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:11 PM, TimM wrote:
> St�phane Ducasse wrote:
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>> Is Find class (cmd-F) in the default browser not enough?
>> or typing in any pane the class and doing cmd-B
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> The problem I find with cmd-F is that if I'm already in the middle of typing a method - it wants to refocus my browser on the new class (often causing me to have to save changes that I'm not finished doing yet). AND - there is also no back button to go back to where I was typing my method (so I've lost my context).
Yes
Romain did �booster which allows you to leave a method uncompiled in a browser and navigate to another one.... this was never integrated. Now we should really rethink the navigation
> So it would seem the "Pharo way" is to open a new browser window - but its not a smooth operation. Probably the closest is to start typing a class name where I am and then use o/e-complete (but then I often have to backspace over that text when I figure out actually what I needed to do). So it all feels a bit more awkward than it should be?
Sure it is bad :)
>>> But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time?
>> I do not know what you imply exactly.
>> Now my point is that if you improve the tools we will integrate them.
>> I would really like to get better tools.
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> Some of your points in this message helped thanks - what I was trying to get at was, I was confused about which framework to learn and then build on. I keep hearing about lots of different things OB, Glamour... and then there seem to be several browsers (System, O2...) - so its not clear where to start? I also would want to do it in a way that fits "the vision" - but i'm not yet clear on what that vision is (I'm still learning)
The problem is a question of resources.
If you give me one guy for a year I would start a new browser from scratch.
Now since lukas is improving OB may be this is the way to go.
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>>> Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need?
>> - We need a better
>> � � �Test Runner
>> � � �Monticello Browser
>> � � �(Benjmain did a better RecentMessageSet)
>> � � �Deeper Refactoring integration
>> If you want to help there is plenty of topics. For example helping at integrating my my package implementation
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> This list will give me a good starting point to talk to people at ESUG and hopefully I will "learn to fish" so I can help out more productively.
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> Again, I'm sorry to bother everyone.
don't apologize all the time