On 13 April 2018 at 17:07, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote:

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From:��Benoit St-Jean <bstjean@yahoo.com>
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Date:��Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:07:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject:��Re: [Pharo-users] Where do we go now ?
"You cannot take an alpha version and expect production quality."

I'm on Windows 10, using Pharo 7.0 alpha 32 bit.

Can I at least expect to be able to save code in my local Monticello repository ? It bombs. I just reported a bug!

Can I expect the Windows installer for Pharo Launcher to work on Windows?�� It doesn't : it crashes.��

It works fine for me on Windows 10.��

There were some issues that depended on how PharoLauncher was installed.

The installer (NSIS) being used at that time doesn't handle non-Admin installs very well.��

Prior to PharoLauncher being promoted as the main download, I guess people on Windows

using PharoLauncher either ran it as Admin, or worked around it like me - on Windows I��

would just roll my own from a fresh Pharo 6 and the Project Catalog.

To be clear, the problem was heavily influenced by the constraints of an external tool.

Get PharoLauncher installed in the right location and it works like a dream.

Did you try the proof-of-concept installer I posted previously to the list...��

http://www.mediafire.com/file/3g579bmzqspt8e1/BCPharoLauncher.msi��

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Can I expect Pharo Launcher (not installed from the .exe installer) to work on Windows?�� It just doesn't. I get all kinds of error related to WindowsStore, bad UTF-8 encoding and other things... (see https://twitter.com/smalltalkdev/status/978973863332798464)

Yes most people can expect it works perfectly on Windows.�� But as always it depends.��

There is always the chance something in your environment triggers a bug.

like maybe non-ascii characters in you username/path?

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Can I expect that when looking for implementors of a method things still work?�� I get duplicates (see attached file).

Do you mean only the duplicate "Traited class >> isTrait" in your screenshot?

I just tried this in "Pharo-7.0+alpha.build.762.sha.0e0fe47c5ccef"

by typing "isTrait" into the Playground, selecting it and pressing Ctrl-M,

and I don't get the duplicate.

Which build of Pharo are you using?

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Can I expect reading input from the console to work on Windows?�� It doesn't.

Bit hard to understand your problem from that one-liner.

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Can I expect to be able to test my stuff on Windows?�� That's kinda hard when Windows is always 6 months to 1 year behind VM-wise.

I'm not whining about the effort people put into this project : I'm mostly whining about duplication of effort and code and *very poor* Windows support...

AFAIK, Pharo 6.1 32-bit VM is up to date with the other platforms.

Regarding 64-bit Windows.�� Yes it is behind.�� The specific companies interested in 64-bit Linux support put money on the table to get it done.

No one has stepped up to do the same for Windows 64-bit, so realistically it lags behind.

btw, lately it gets harder to run 32-bit apps on Linux and OSX, but there is no reason to stop using 32-bits VM on Windows.

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Can I expect to be able to contribute ?�� That is kinda sad but all the cool scripts out there are .sh files.

huh?

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Just spend 2 weeks working with Pharo on Windows.�� You can start with version 5.1 if you want and let me know how it goes...�� Brace yourself, I'm telling you, you're off for a wild & unpleasant ride.

Its been a while since I worked with Pharo on Windows, but I've been using it the last few weeks with no problems. Pharo 6.1 and Pharo 7.

cheers -ben