I am not willing to create an account there but Phil, I must say I share most things you wrote there.

Just some small things I would add.

1: One must understand that Smalltalk is a live empty OS that one can modify with merely any rules or limitations.
2: One must be god if you can start implementing projects without reading the MSDN library or any other programming language documentation.
3: Oppose to VisualStudio you can actually add a close button for browsers according to you needs. Pharo does not prevent you from this.��
4: Tutorial? This is a great introduction to get started. Try to understand most of all concepts and syntax of a different language in approx. 13 slides...
5: He learned how to execute code and does not know how to start an application,.... well this is a flaw. Does the Tutorial ask for too much genuity and should be extended by one sentence to clarify this?
6: Real tutorial, but maybe too complex for somebody who does already want to play with repositories, socket communication and debugging.... point him at http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/build-and-deploy-1st-webapp/
7: Doesn't the Welcome page point at the Help Documentation? It does explain how to create "projects" doesn't it?
8: GUI looks old and is slow? +1 to him,... I also have a hard time to sell it, but at least I am aware how much there is currently done...
9: If he really wants to get an idea on the size and complexity of Smalltalk once could refer him to VASmalltalk and IBM's Programmers reference,.... 2 1/2 years later he will have worked though it have enough experience write his first proper lines of code and be a bad ass Smalltalker 5 years afterwards....

I saw Cuis Smalltalk last weekend,.... I thing Cuis and a little simpler might be the best introduction plattform to Smalltalk,... just raw Smalltalk and switch by switch one can turn on features like a repository, profiler, configurations, deployment,....

Just my 5cents
Sebastian

On 2015-04-29 11:11 PM, phil@highoctane.be wrote:

put some replies.
maybe someone can add links to Kilon videos there.

Phil

Le��30 avr. 2015 04:50, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaringolo@gmail.com> a ��crit��:

I don't agree with most of the things mentioned, but I think its worth
looking at to see if there is something to actually improve.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smalltalk/comments/32xwmr/my_experience_with_pharo_40/

Regards,

Esteban A. Maringolo