On 12 Dec 2020, at 19:20, Offray Vladimir Luna C��rdenas <offray.luna@mutabit.com> wrote:Hi,
Just to add a little bit to Tim's remark, I'm pretty happy that Pharo academicians, starting with St��phane, value more making a real difference in the world, via delivering working and improving software, that talking about the theoretical possible changes when paper's "conclusions further possibilities and studies" will be applied, developed and widely understood (it's also a pretty uncommon path followed by Lua academician's at Rio University.)
In a world of mostly self-serving academia trapped in the game of papers publishing and metrics only valuable inside academia, is good to have academicians breaking the novelty fetiche spell and preferring _being_ smarter and empathic with continuous delivery, improvements and broad community building, instead just _looking_ smarter, via papers publishing and ego inflation inside the Ivory Tower.
Thanks again Stephan and other Pharo academicians to show us a glimpse of what academia could be when priorities are put in proper places.
Offray
On 12/12/20 5:05 a. m., Tim Mackinnon wrote:Just to chip in here - the work demonstrated on Pharo development is inspirational. Rather than throwing everything away, it shows the alternative - incrementally improving a running platform - and practicing what we preach in industry by refactoring a large elderly code base bit by bit - it's remarkable.While its true we don���t always immediately get things fixed that we might personally want, but then again we are relying on the free personal time of others. But collectively, the most important things do get fixed/improved, and if there is something that really bothers you, then the over arching lesson is that you have to roll up your sleaves and try and fix it yourself and in showing willingness you normally find that others will help you.So Steph et al, I am glad that you love this platform (and have for many years), but more startlingly - i heard you all talk about a vision of improvements back in Lugano many years ago��� and gosh we are seeing those improvements roll out year after year. Even more - we are slowly getting the kind of development/experiment workbench platform that good developers should have. Its being invented under our eyes, and that is exciting.So I hope you dont feel dispondent - I think history viewed over a longer period will actually show a more positive picture.TimOn Fri, 11 Dec 2020, at 9:20 PM, St��phane Ducasse wrote:It depends how old.We cannot do magic.In particular, if more people would help fixing simple things in Pharo we would then have the time for more boring and challenging issues.Because in my personal case, I���m not paid to develop and lead Pharo dev.My own carrer and CV do not depend on Pharo and in fact I could publish much moreand look much smarter without it.S.But if it doesn't work on older machines (if that is the case) then that'sstill a bug, isn't it?----------------------------------------------St��phane Ducasse03 59 35 87 52Assistant: Aurore DalleFAX 03 59 57 78 50TEL 03 59 35 86 16S. Ducasse - Inria40, avenue Halley,Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, B��t.A, Park PlazaVilleneuve d'Ascq 59650France