No reason to be offended.

I am merely stated my opinion on the subject , obviously personal taste plays a role . I never said your experiences are invalid, I can assure you if that was my intention you will be clearly reading it inside my text. Afterall I was the one that recommended you in IRC to bring this discussion about Alt+TAB in the mailing list to find a solution to your problem.�� I do however disagree with the idea that emacs has a good interface and I am far from the only one. Again we come down to personal opinion. But of course you are welcome to disagree, I have no problem with that nor I am here to convince people that my opinion is valid and their own is invalid.

I am familiar with some of the features you described as I already said , I am an emacs users for quite some time now. Not an emacs power user , just a guy that loves to use emacs from time to time. Because of the opinion I have expressed, I try to keep as few windows or buffers open as possible.

The remark on shortcuts is not just ranting, I use Blender for 3d graphics on daily basis and shortcuts have become a serious issue. The application has grown so large that is unmaintainable to demand from user to memorise 1000 shortcuts so there is a very active discussion between Blender developers how to deal with this problem. A recent addition was pie menus, right click menus that use mouse gestures to navigate as quickly as a shortcut but with no demand on memorization. Its not an easy problem to solve by any means, so yes when you said that emacs has solved it, I have to confess I wished that it was that easy for me . But I do value your opinion and your experience even If I disagree.

Its important to have such discussion , if people say "emacs way of doing things is great" then so be it. Let's copy these Emacs features right away, I am all for it. Pharo is not just for me, but for all of us. I do also want more people to use Pharo and find it more user friendly.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Avdi Grimm <avdi@avdi.org> wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
The shortcut based interface has been tried and has failed.��
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The thought that I need to search for a buffer, setup buffer groups , create tabs , use a weird complex shortcut etc when I just can use my mouse and in one second click the window I want is a no brainer for me. Its not just simple , its better.��

You clearly have different tastes than mine, and that's fine. However, if you're going to deal with that by saying that my experiences are invalid, and compound it by talking about things you clearly haven't actually tried (what does "create tabs" or "setup buffer groups" even mean?) I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore.��