Hi,

Nice to see more diversity on license choice and projects in this community. We have the permissive MIT license by default in almost all Pharo and related project, but seeing GPL and AGPL in projects like Spec and now Territorial increase the sense of choice and engagement.

In my case as a freelancer, having such licenses as base for the code of my works has helped me against big institutions that have aggressive practices regarding "Intelectual Property" and want everything for them all the time. Even in this community we have seen some interesting work that can not be contributed back to the community until the community makes something open by default (something related Java support comes to mind).�� Having a license that enforce reciprocity by default (GPL, AGPL) instead of "do what you want" ones (MIT, BSD) helps to keep the commons protected against predatory enclosure, even if you're a small freelancer and the ones really interested in such enclosure can still contact the author and pay the extra price that comes with not reciprocity to the wider community.

Thanks Hern��n,

Offray��

In Tiki, there has been such discussions as well.

https://tiki.org/License

But yeah, MIT license is the best thing :-)

Phil

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Hern��n Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought for a while about the license.

Fixing the ASP loophole means trying to escape from companies using a trick to avoid returning changes to the code back to the community[1]. I agree with such position. GNU AGPL is free, copyleft, approved by OSI, FSF, and used by successful projects : MongoDB, SugarCRM, OTRS, etc. If anyone want to discuss collaboration or re-licensing, for example to monetize library services, feel free to contact me privately.

Hern��n

[1] http://www.fabcapo.com/2008/02/we-have-submitted-agpl-to-osi.html

2016-09-06 18:03 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com>:

Hi Hern��n,

I believe Stef was asking about the choice of picking a viral license vs the permissive MIT one that we use in code that gets into Pharo (and several other larger related projects).

Cheers,
Doru

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:28 PM, Hern��n Morales Durand <hernan.morales@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stef,
>
> I used the License Differentiator tool at http://oss-watch.ac.uk/apps/licdiff/
>
> I like it because it fixes the 'ASP (application service provider) loophole' or 'privacy loophole' problem (See Choice Six in the tool)
>
> Hern��n
>
>
> 2016-09-06 16:47 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo@free.fr>:
> Hi hernan
>
> why do you picked AGPL? We try to protect our community against license hell.
> Stef
> Le 6/9/16 �� 11:40, Hern��n Morales Durand a ��crit :
>>
>> Hi Stephan,
>>
>> 2016-09-06 2:52 GMT-03:00 Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl>:
>> On 06/09/16 06:24, Hern��n Morales Durand wrote:
>>
>> I am happy to announce the release of Territorial, a new Smalltalk
>> library for Geographical Information Retrieval in geopolitical objects.
>>
>> Nice. Please tell us about your license choice
>>
>>
>> License of the library is AGPL v3 (it is in the Notes and disclaimers of the manual)
>> License of the documentation is CC BY-SA 3.0
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hern��n
>>
>> Stephan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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