Robert,

I'm a newbie myself on this community, with near to a year in it, but not as active participation as I would like (I regret to answer back as quick as I get some feedback, but I'm trying to improve), so I don't know myself. I think that communities tend to be different on the way they behave according to on-topic or off-topic views. In the case of the Leo community, is not unusual some kind of public monologue about how to solve some issues, sharing "notes to myself" with all the list. In the case of Pharo/Moose the meta reflection seems better in places like blog post. I found this in my own case while asking questions in the Moose mailing list in long posts where I give a lot of background information and those did take a lot to be answered or where ignored at all. I remember that one meta-question I made to the list was "Am I asking wrong?" and after that I decided to test this combination of long background or panoramic/extra reflexions on blog post with more specific short questions in the respective mailing list or chat channel. I got better feedback in all channels (chat, mailing lists and blog comments) with this combination. See and example here:

http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/grafoscopio-idea-and-initial-progress.html

Hope this helps,

Offray

On 27/12/15 13:18, Robert Withers wrote:

Wait a second here. Let's be clear. In your first paragraph you say no need to feel that I am censored or ostracized, then the second paragraph you censor me.

Alright, I ask you all.�� Which meta-model is acceptable for practical work in my stack? I need a meta-model to describe it, or rahter anyone should be able to skin the meta-model they want and that makes most sense. These consciousness meta-models, or meta-memes, from religious tradition are well-defined models.

Is the cellular meta-meme acceptable or is also the Mythic meta-meme? Or are both having no place here?

This is Smalltalk to me and my practical use of it. It is directly related to interactive fiction, which was just posted about. I am not trying to be belligerent, nay defend myself from hypocrisy and secure my rights, here.

So which is the acceptable meta-model?

Regards,
Robert

On 12/27/2015 12:49 PM, Johan Fabry wrote:
Robert, there is no need to feel that you are being censored for your spiritual and/or religious point of view and are being ostracized. 

This being said, this is a mailing list with a relatively high amount of traffic as well as many subscribers, and because of this nature the conversations here are supposed to be of a more directly practical nature and straightforwardly related to Pharo. So I agree with the main gist of Ben���s message (+ Marcus��� message of some time ago) and I am quite sure that many other subscribers to the list also do so.

So please keep your message on-topic, to assure a better mailing list experience for all.

Greetings,
On Dec 27, 2015, at 14:15, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers@gmail.com> wrote:

I must say as well, I disagree strenuously to the community were attempts made to classify spiritual and religious scholarship and commentary, related as it demonstrably is to meta models in Smalltalk, to be placed on the censorship list.

I strenuously object to these objections to the sciences of consciousness.

respectfully,
robert
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