> On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:42, Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Le 21/06/2018 �� 23:18, Tim Mackinnon a ��crit :
>> Hi
>
> Hi,
>

> - is the order of browsers specified for any particular reason?
>>
>> I ask, because the 2 main one System and Playground should both be at the top (in my opinion) but I��m wondering if its in some specific order?
>>
>
> By top you mean at the root of the menu or at the top of the Tool submenu?
>
> If you mean at the root of the menu, then no for the menubar because it
> is a menubar and not a toolbar. But, it would be cool to get it back at
> the root of the WorldMenu but it need work to be able to define two
> different locations for menubar and world menu.
>
> If you mean at the top of the Tools submenu, then yes. The fact that
> Iceberg is before the playground is an error I think.

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On 22 June 2018 at 06:03, Tim Mackinnon��<tim@testit.works>��wrote:

Hi Cyril (nice work on the menu by the way) - I was thinking in the Tools menu they should both be at the top. For the world menu - I think maybe the consistency is better - and for the advanced user they can learnt he keyboard shortcuts?

I've been meaning to provide some feedback on this, but been giving myself time to adapt first.

Generally I like the direction this is heading, but I find I'm really missing the World-Menu > Save item.��

When I'm playing with deep parts of the system where mistakes are likely to break the Image, I use this often.��

Actually its not awkward so much that its an extra level down, but that "Save" is not at the top of its submenu.

Now as this arrangement is new, and I guess will become locked in when Pharo 7 is released

(at the risk of bike shedding) can we experiment a bit with the arrangement.

I am finding that to open Browser and Playground I often accidentally go to "Pharo" item first,

then correct myself to find them under "Tools".��

I'm not sure if I'm expecting Browser to be under the first menu, or expecting them under "Pharo".��

I think maybe the latter.�� For me the tools *are* Pharo.

So...

* Maybe rename the current "Pharo" to "File"? Its a common paradigm in many application that the first top-level item is "File" with save/quit/etc. And after, "saving" is the act of freezing the Image into a file.

* Rename current "Tools" to "Pharo" as the second top-level item.

Here is an experiment for anyone to try...

WorldState-class >> pharoItemsOn: aBuilder

�� (aBuilder item: #Pharo)

+�� label: 'File';

-�� icon: ((self iconNamed: #pharo) scaledToSize: 20 @ 20);

+�� icon: ((self iconNamed: #smallOpen) scaledToSize: 15 @ 15);

(aBuilder item: #Save)

+�� order: 1

(aBuilder item: #'Save as...')

+�� order: 2

(aBuilder item: #saveAndQuit)

+�� order: 2 ; withSeparatorAfter

(aBuilder item: #Quit)

+�� order: 9

AbstractTool-class >> menuCommandOn:

+�� label: 'Pharo';

+�� icon: ((self iconNamed: #pharo) scaledToSize: 20 @ 20);

SettingsBrowser-class >> menuCommandOn:

+ order: 5

cheers -ben

P.S. Other ideas...

Place the following together as separated pairs since they are similar function

* Iceberg and Monticello��

* Spotter and Finder