Depends how many hours per week you spend and how deep you want to go in it. I spent around 3 hours per week , thats 150 hours per year , 750 in 5 years. For someone working 40 hours a week on pharo it would have taken him only 5 months to reach my level. ��

Also in my case there were not that many libraries to help me out for the things I like to do , 3d graphics, custom GUIs and sound music. It was basically Morphic, Athens and Pharo Sound. Hence why I need to rely on external libraries. Web developing on the other hand would have required to learn Seaside and many other libraries that would have risen the learning curve quite substantially.��

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 9:44 AM phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
This 5 years time span looks like accurate in what it takes to become somewhat proficient with Pharo.

I am curious to know how long one required to grok it. Because there is a world between the "syntax on a postcard" narrative and the "dig in the bowels of the beast" narrative.

Anyone?

Phil

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
If you talking about me, no it does not work like that.

Complaining is easy indeed but what is easier for me is just using Python libraries from Pharo , this way I don't wait for you to implements features I need and you don't have to endure my complaining. Win - win situation.

Soon I will also be able to use C++ libraries from Pharo and I will be virtually unstoppable. From Pharo I will be able to use any programming language , any library and any application.

So no, I have no need to argue, I prefer implementing my own solutions.

The days of being an inexperienced Pharo developer are long gone, sure I am still no Pharo expert but I can easily overcome Pharo limitations. Took me 5 years but better late than never .