Add some node project size with npm dependencies for some nice sizes too.
There it is also in terms of the number of files..."

from what I am reading online, npm projects tend to be around 100 mbs, but still they give you no GUIs and no IDE.��

so maybe its 100 mb NPM��+ ��200 MB the browser (Chrome / Firefox) + 100 MB the IDE plus some extra tools. But I am not NodeJS developer so I cannot confirm this. I have experience with all the languages I mentioned but I try to avoid the mess that is called "web development".��

By the way , those numbers are not much diiferent from Pharo. All the example I have that are 4-100x times bigger than Pharo offer also the equivalent libraries set , tools etc. For example Java and Python libraries are far larger than Pharo's. Most likely NPM is in that category.

The lesson from this story is If you want a powerful environment expect to pay in hundreds of megabytes.�� If don't care then you can go down to few hundreds kbs . However judging from what is popular I think its safe to assume that developers love large powerful environments and don't care about size.��

Pharo if we take into account the size of its library , IDEs , tools etc 100 MBs is pretty much a very reasonable size.��

Now if we want to deliver a Lua-like Pharo version, with almost no VM, no library, no guis, no IDE just for the purpose of embedding it as a scripting engine, I am all for it.�� I cannot say I need it, but why not.��

But lets stop calling Pharo , fat, its not true and its rude. Pharo has feelings too you know :D