Two different things:

1) yes, the minimal image is indeed minimal. Actually, the minimal image is around 20% of the full image. Two working directions that are looking for active contributions are:
��- reduce that 20% so bootstrap times are smaller
��- modularise the other 80% so that we can easily load new stuff.
�� �� ��About this last point, there are already there in the repository a couple of metacello configurations made by Pavel that allow us to reload the 80% into the 20% image. But we should modularise them because so far they are too big.

2) About the second point. You should not need to recompile everything. In the image there is the Undeclared mechanism that should rebind new classes as soon as they are loaded. Can you provide more insight on the bug? Why do you need to recompile?

Tx,
Guille

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
I think there is something wrong with the minimal image - but it looks like the following has nudged me a bit closer (rather inelegantly but I think the minimal images may need checking for errors):

MCFileTreeRepository methods do: [ :m | m recompile ].
MCFileTreeStCypressReader methods do: [:m | m recompile ].
MCFileTreeAbstractReader methods do: [:m | m recompile ].
Tim

On 13 Jul 2017, at 18:18, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:

Thinking about this a bit more - if the minimal image is too minimal, and I load in some required classes - do I need to force methods to recompile to pick up the now loaded classes?

Is there an easy way to do that?

Tim

On 13 Jul 2017, at 17:40, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:

Hmmm - its very, very minimal��� I am trying to load in my local code (checked out from git) with:

Metacello new
repository: 'filetree://../src';
baseline: 'Lambda';
load.

However I get an error: MCFileTreeRepository>>repositoryProperties (STON is Undeclared)��

As I���m guessing that STON is not in that minimal image - ��I have tried to load ConfigurationOfSton into the image first by doing:
./pharo Pharo.image config http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/STON ConfigurationOfSton --install=stable ���-save

It looks like this does load it, however when I then run my commands to load my code into the new image with:
./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences --save --quit st loadLocal.st
(loadLocal.st has the Metacello expression I first mentioned) - I still seem to be getting an error as if STON is not in the image,
E.g.
UndefinedObject class>>fromStream:
And PharoDebug has lines confirming this (pointing at the method #repositoryProperties):
27 MessageNotUnderstood(Exception)>>signal
28 UndefinedObject class(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #fromStream:
29 repositoryProperties
  repositoryProperties
    ifNil: [ 

At this point, I am having trouble loading this minimal image with a ui, but if I use the command line and use the ���eval�����command line handler, and do something like:
./pharo Pharo.image eval "(Smalltalk at: #STONReader) class methods"��
{STONReader class>>#on:}
It is showing me methods as if the class is there. Can anyone think of what I might be doing wrong? Or could try?

Tim

On 13 Jul 2017, at 08:47, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com> wrote:


2017-07-13 8:10 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works>:
That would be great. I'm keen to see if I can reproduce what Sven seemed to measure where he seemed to get image launch times down.

Currently on Lambda I am seeing an avg 3.5s to return a simple result.

I know that 700ms of this is the overhead of a nodejs shim (the golang Sparta project has reported this aspect).

So I'm curious if a smaller image (& no sources) could get me into a sub 2s range)

Tim

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On 13 Jul 2017, at 06:51, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tim,

I will prepare jobs that will convert them to 64bits.

-- Pavel

2017-07-12 23:14 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works>:
Hi - I would like to try a minimal image on AWS lambda (so I need a 64 bit version).

Is there a 64bit image for either 6.0 or 7.0 that is easy to download?

I can see -��http://get.pharo.org/60-minimal��but it doesn���t say its 64 bit, so I assume its 32bit?

Tim








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