On 2013-06-01 10:40, St�phane Ducasse wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in
> general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association.
> I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world
> knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult.
>
> So what do you think?
> I would use the association in a much clearer way.

I'd like to mention a few facts:
1.  I used to think Smalltalk is dead.
2.  I used to think Smalltalk, even if not dead, is only being used in
universities.
3.  I used to think Smalltalk world is far behind the modern web
aspects/framework/technologies.

It's been less than a week that I started to give Smalltalk (Pharo) a
try -and to be honest I chose to do so just to see what is Seaside.  And
to my utmost surprise all of the above assumptions turned out to be
moronic per-assumptions (though hugely popular).

I come from the Java world which I'd say is the richest and most
evolving ecosystem for web development.  But I was shocked by design,
quality, simplicity, cleanness and feature-set of Seaside.  And if you
ask me nothing matches it even in the wide range of Java web frameworks.

I believe, Seaside is a sample of what Smalltalk world has to offer
(correct me if I'm wrong) and it's a real pitty that frustrated
developers/companies using Java or .NET don't know about such a thing.

PS:  I have some general suggestions but, honestly, I thought I'd hold
them as I'm not a pro Smalltalk'er :-)

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Bahman Movaqar  (http://BahmanM.com)
ERP Evaluation, Implementation, Deployment Consultant