On 18 June 2018 at 21:39, Herbert Voj��k <herby@mailbox.sk> wrote:

horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04:

This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds
(undocumented or hard to find).

I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that
newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about
Pharo's reputation.

The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye.

Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert to working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm.

Herby

I've been using PharoLauncher for years jumping between Linux & Windows, and it has worked great.

Its not PharoLauncher itself, but limitations of the NSIS installer that was used and how that interacted poorly with some environments e.g. admin versus non-admin accounts.

The meta-problem is that PharoLauncher worked great for its few users who had compatible environments,

but problems remained submerged because it lacked exposure to broad enough environments to unearth such problems.

A chicken/egg scenario was limiting broader use of PharoLauncher, and it would continue to languish

with biting the bullet to get more users - and more reports.�� The challenge is providing enough resource priority

to deal with issues quickly so not to annoy users too much.

I'm very glad PharoLauncher is being promoted as it is,�� however it may be worth considering that��

it is for "managing multiple images" and very-new users probably aren't immediately concerned with that.

Very-new users are concerned with getting something up as quick and easy as possible,

and PharoLauncher does add a few extra steps.�� Maybe the top of the downloads page could

have the zip downloads tagged something like "Taste Test Install"�� and also include a copy of PBE in those zips.

cheers -ben

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Travis Ayres wrote

I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken"
and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM,

phil@

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wrote:

The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the bleeding
edge is the wrong one in files.
The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really
improving.

That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works.

so, steal the installer from here: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-
jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher

This is the one you want:

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher/

For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, get
into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages.

Phil

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