Hi Stef,

Well, I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you. I made exactly 1 tool with Pharo in my previous work place and currently trying to get ready to use Pharo when opportunity comes in my current work place.

That tool I made was a small tool, a custom controller for ASIC testing. It's a GUI to control ASIC, representing register values as what they mean, organizing them in UI layout in a logical manner. A logical abstraction of a hardware implementation, if you will. It saves my test engineer from having to do what he wants to do in hex numbers, from counting bits and from making error. It's a custom tool for each ASIC. Restoring ASIC state by syncing with Pharo image is really pleasant :)

I learnt a lot form Pharo. Morph concept where every GUI element is presentable is very helpful. Wondering what the actual value of a register is? Just ask the register instance to display itself and I can monitor it. Many more of course, but I don't want to bore you to death.

My previous company has a long history with Smalltalk. I was fortunate to learn about Smalltalk there. They have ASIC design tool written in Smalltalk, still used today. They don't use Smalltalk anymore. After some years, I missed it, found Pharo, and when an opportunity came to solve a problem, I did it with Pharo. My engineer loved it :)




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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

Hi andreas

are you using Pharo at work :)?

Can we know more?


Stef


Le 11/10/16 �� 17:28, Andreas Sunardi a ��crit��:
I confirmed the new version is working just fine.

If this info is helpful, I'm running this new version on my CentOS 6.5 at my work.��

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
I made a new version of http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip, based on Yan's VM... They should work fine.��

Now... I need a CentOS compatible VM :P

Esteban

On 10 Oct 2016, at 08:29, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:


On 10 Oct 2016, at 05:47, Andreas Sunardi <a.sunardi@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Stef,

IMHO, since the 'GNU/Linux w. libc < 2.15' download in Pharo download webpage is broken anyway, we should repackage that download. Then other people using this version doesn't have to follow extra instruction to patch it. Having said that, I understand you and the Pharo team may have a reason to not hastily repackage that download option.

yes, it is :(
I need to fix that link.

Esteban


So, here are the downloads needed:
1. 'GNU/Linux w. libc < 2.15' from Pharo download page��http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation

2. Jan Vrany's Pharo 5 VM��https://swing.fit.cvut.cz/jenkins/job/pharo-vm-spur-swing/. I used the current latest build, which is currently build #5, Jan 17, 2016

3. Pharo 5 sources file from http://files.pharo.org/sources/

4. Latest Pharo 5 image from http://files.pharo.org/image, which is currently 50761


Installation:
1. Unzip 'GNU/Linux w. libc < 2.15'
$ unzip Pharo5.0-linux-oldLibC.zip

2. Replace VM in bin/ with ��Jan Vrany's build
$ cd pharo5.0/bin
$ unzip ../../pharo-vm-spur-swing.zip

3. Put Pharo 5 sources file in the VM directory
$ unzip ../../PharoV50.sources.zip

4. Replace image and changes file with the latest
$ cd ../shared
$ rm Pharo5.0.{image,changes}
$ unzip ../../Pharo-Image-5.0-latest.zip
$ mv Pharo-50761.image Pharo5.0.image
$ mv Pharo-50761.changes Pharo5.0.changes


Now, we can run pharo with libc < 2.15
$ cd ..
$ pharo


I hope that help!
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Andreas

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 10:10 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

Hi

I would like a list of

������ - links

������ - actions (unix commands)

so that we can add it to the web site so that other people using the same version than you

can install and run pharo simply.


Stef


Le 7/10/16 �� 19:06, Andreas Sunardi a ��crit��:
Hi Stef,

Can you explain a little bit about what this 'How to' is? Just now I'm able to finally run pharo5 on my CentOS with glibc version < 2.15 and I wrote my finding in my other reply.

Are you referring to how to put these things together to finally able to run pharo? Or are you referring to my digging through the error?


On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 11:08 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

Hi andreas

could you write a little how to so that we can put it on the web site?

Stef


Le 7/10/16 �� 06:20, Andreas Sunardi a ��crit��:
Thanks, Bernardo. That fogbugz case is exactly the problem I'm having.

This VM (pharo-vm-spur-swing.zip) is able to open Pharo 5.0 image from Pharo download page. This is a good sign.

Upon opening the image, I am, however, presented immediately with 'MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "/" is nil'. It's coming from��
SystemSettingsPersistence class >> defaultPreferenceFileReference

It boils down to
OSEnvironment#getEnv: 'HOME'

a failure in building an FFI call. The FFI call function signature is
#( String getenv (String string) )

The context object built from OSEnvironment#getEnv: gives answer 'arg1', instead of 'string', to a call to #method#argumentNames. Down the road, an IRMethod instance is trying to find the index for 'string' and can't find any, because what is stored is 'arg1'.

I'm out of my depth at this point, and this is a separate issue than not being able to start the image. I have to think where I want to go from here.

So, thank you for all of you, for the exceedingly quick and friendly help.

Cheers!

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hold on,

�� There's also this issue

where in one comment jan.vrany recommended his build



that i have used in debian wheezy with the old libc for quite a while. i don't use it anymore because im in jessie.



On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Andreas Sunardi <a.sunardi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for the impressive quick response. Unfortunately, I have older glibc. So now I'm struggling with compiling glibc 2.15 for 32 bit on my 64 bit CentOS 6.5 machine. Not an easy thing to do.

I'll try those VMs once I succeed in building this glibc

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com> wrote:
this

works pretty well in��Debian GNU/Linux 8 Jessie
��

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Cl��ment Bera <bera.clement@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for reporting the problem.��

The error means the VM is incompatible with the image. There was a change of image format in Pharo 5, so the package has likely an old VM while the image has the new format, or the new VM while the image has the old format.��

Someone will look into that problem in the incoming weeks. Most Pharo maintainers are on Mac, we noticed recently that other OS were not maintained carefully enough (We're sorry about that) and we're trying to solve that problem.

Meantime....

Can you try the latest VM from here (latest.zip):

Or if still failing, the latest VM from here (latest.zip):
http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/

One of these two VMs should work. Please tell me which one worked if you try.

Thanks & Regards

Clement

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com> wrote:
i already submitted a similar issue

check it and see if it is the same

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Andreas Sunardi <a.sunardi@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm on CentOS 6.5 and I downloaded Pharo 5 for GNU/Linux w. libc < 2.15 and for CentOS. Both won't start (I have no problem with Windows version):

$ pharo
This interpreter (vers. 6505) cannot read image file (vers. 6521).
Press CR to quit...

I'm unable to find report or information about this issue on the web. I think it was like this ~2 months ago as well. Is this a known issue?

First time posting question in this mailing list, so I beg your pardon if I break any mailing list rule.

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Andreas S



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