[Pharo-project] Alien plugin? Status of VMMaker
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo? I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin. Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :) Bill
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo?
I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin.
Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :)
Building a vm with alien support is probably harder than writing a openssl plugin. :) Levente
Bill
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My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise: "add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'. IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document... I note Balloon 3D might be optional. Install Balloon 3D via the SqueakMap package Loader, Install FFI & Klatt via MC MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos ' user: '' password: '' install FFI via FFI-Kernel-ar.7 and install KLATT via Speech-Klatt-edc.1 Install VMMaker-dtl.120 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker ' user: '' password: '' Install Alien-VMMaker-Support-John M McIntosh.6 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien ' user: '' password: '' On 2010-01-10, at 7:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo?
I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin.
Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :)
Bill
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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, John M McIntosh wrote:
My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker
Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise:
"add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'.
IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document...
This process is a bit outdated, FFI and Speech are not dependencies anymore, the dependencies are extracted into FFI-Pools and SharedPool-Speech. FFI's repository is http://source.squeak.org/FFI, not Ladrillos on squeaksource (it never was). Dave made a Monticello configuration for Squeak. Based on that someone could create a Metacello configuration. Levente
I note Balloon 3D might be optional.
Install Balloon 3D via the SqueakMap package Loader, Install FFI & Klatt via MC
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos ' user: '' password: ''
install FFI via FFI-Kernel-ar.7 and install KLATT via Speech-Klatt-edc.1
Install VMMaker-dtl.120 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker ' user: '' password: ''
Install Alien-VMMaker-Support-John M McIntosh.6 or higher from
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien ' user: '' password: ''
On 2010-01-10, at 7:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo?
I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin.
Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :)
Bill
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:51:35AM +0100, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, John M McIntosh wrote:
My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker
Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise:
"add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'.
IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document...
This process is a bit outdated, FFI and Speech are not dependencies anymore, the dependencies are extracted into FFI-Pools and SharedPool-Speech. FFI's repository is http://source.squeak.org/FFI, not Ladrillos on squeaksource (it never was). Dave made a Monticello configuration for Squeak. Based on that someone could create a Metacello configuration.
It would be great if someone could do a Metacello configuration for this. I don't know how to do it, so help would be welcome. Thanks, Dave
My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo
Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker
Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise:
"add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'.
IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document...
This process is a bit outdated, FFI and Speech are not dependencies anymore, the dependencies are extracted into FFI-Pools and SharedPool-Speech. FFI's repository is http://source.squeak.org/FFI, not Ladrillos on squeaksource (it never was). Dave made a Monticello configuration for Squeak. Based on that someone could create a Metacello configuration.
It would be great if someone could do a Metacello configuration for this. I don't know how to do it, so help would be welcome.
We will check friday afternoon with mariano may be one Alien and one AlienVMMarker
this is strange I thought that just loading AlienLoader load (it was pre gofer) from the Alien source was loading it without having to load VMMaker why do we need VMMaker for using Alien? Stef On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:42 AM, John M McIntosh wrote:
My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker
Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise:
"add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'.
IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document... I note Balloon 3D might be optional.
Install Balloon 3D via the SqueakMap package Loader, Install FFI & Klatt via MC
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos ' user: '' password: ''
install FFI via FFI-Kernel-ar.7 and install KLATT via Speech-Klatt-edc.1
Install VMMaker-dtl.120 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker ' user: '' password: ''
Install Alien-VMMaker-Support-John M McIntosh.6 or higher from
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien ' user: '' password: ''
On 2010-01-10, at 7:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo?
I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin.
Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :)
Bill
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It's true, for using Alien VMMaker it's not necesary. I think because he wants to build an Alien Plugin for Linux. Fernando pd: By the way, Tudor and I are working on a ConfigurationOfAlien. On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is strange I thought that just loading AlienLoader load (it was pre gofer) from the Alien source was loading it without having to load VMMaker
why do we need VMMaker for using Alien?
Stef
On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:42 AM, John M McIntosh wrote:
My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker
Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise:
"add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'.
IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document... I note Balloon 3D might be optional.
Install Balloon 3D via the SqueakMap package Loader, Install FFI & Klatt via MC
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos ' user: '' password: ''
install FFI via FFI-Kernel-ar.7 and install KLATT via Speech-Klatt-edc.1
Install VMMaker-dtl.120 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker ' user: '' password: ''
Install Alien-VMMaker-Support-John M McIntosh.6 or higher from
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien ' user: '' password: ''
On 2010-01-10, at 7:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo?
I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin.
Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :)
Bill
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Ok I see too early this morning.
It's true, for using Alien VMMaker it's not necesary.
I think because he wants to build an Alien Plugin for Linux.
Fernando
pd: By the way, Tudor and I are working on a ConfigurationOfAlien.
On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is strange I thought that just loading AlienLoader load (it was pre gofer) from the Alien source was loading it without having to load VMMaker
why do we need VMMaker for using Alien?
Stef
On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:42 AM, John M McIntosh wrote:
My understanding is VMMaker should work with Pharo Look in the archives for Gofer and VMMaker
Once you've built a VMMaker image you need to load the Alien plugin logic. This might be loaded by previous gofer scripts, otherwise:
"add Alien Support Packages" gofer squeaksource: 'Alien'; addPackage:'Alien-VMMaker-Support'.
IF all else fails follow the manual process via: http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/Mac%20OS/vm/Document... I note Balloon 3D might be optional.
Install Balloon 3D via the SqueakMap package Loader, Install FFI & Klatt via MC
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Ladrillos ' user: '' password: ''
install FFI via FFI-Kernel-ar.7 and install KLATT via Speech-Klatt-edc.1
Install VMMaker-dtl.120 or higher from MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker ' user: '' password: ''
Install Alien-VMMaker-Support-John M McIntosh.6 or higher from
MCHttpRepository location: ' http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien ' user: '' password: ''
On 2010-01-10, at 7:31 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Do any of you know of an alien plugin for linux? Is VMMaker alive and well on Pharo?
I am getting close to (perhaps) being able to move some number crunching onto Pharo, but it will depend on external libraries and callbacks. My reading suggests that the existing FFI is unable to handle callbacks, and that plugins are required. Alien looks a lot closer to what I have working on Dolphin.
Unless Alien is pre-built, it appears that I am stuck with setting up VMMaker?? That might not be all bad, because I am suspicious I might want to use a plugin for OpenSSL, but that is (so far) a little further away. I would be happy to bypass that learning curve for a while longer :)
Bill
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