[Pharo-project] Newbie Confusion
Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's one I'm finding difficult to ignore. I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question. Michael Litchard.
This got solved in #squeak on freenode. Thanks guys. :) On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Michael Litchard <michael@schmong.org> wrote:
Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's one I'm finding difficult to ignore. I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question.
Michael Litchard.
Michael: sorry, I just read the email. What we will really appreciate is that you report EACH problem you have. Like this you are telling about O2. This is the only way we have to progress. If nobody reports...so, thanks for reporting, and keep doing that. In Pharo, you can have several System Browsers: - The default you have in a PharoCore image. Very limited but fast. - OB (omnibrowser) is better than de default, with several features, refactoring tools, etc. It doesn't manage packages, thus. Now, it is the default in dev images. - O2 browser, that has package support and was the standard at the moment the book was wrote. It seemed to be too slow, and for other reasons, it was changed the default, to OB. We will releasing a new image very soon (maybe this weekend). But, for the moment, if you don't care you can download the latest PharoDev image for BetaTesting from here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1.... There you will have the OB as default, as I explained you, but...you will be able to install O2 in that image. To install O2, evaluate in a Workspace, the following code: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package:'ConfigurationOfO2'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault. The next Pharo image, will have a welcome workspace specially for new people, with tutorials and with the pieces of code ready to install commong projects such as O2, Seaside 2.8 and 3.0, Magritte, Pier, Moose, etc... I would really appreciate if you can give us your feedback for that. Cheers and welcome! Mariano On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Michael Litchard <michael@schmong.org>wrote:
This got solved in #squeak on freenode. Thanks guys. :)
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Michael Litchard <michael@schmong.org> wrote:
Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's one I'm finding difficult to ignore. I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question.
Michael Litchard.
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I forgot to said: after installing O2 in that image, when you open a System BRowser, it will ask which one do you want as default. OBSystemBrowserAdaptor is what I told as OB O2PackageBrowserAdaptor is what I told you as O2 Cheers Mariano On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael: sorry, I just read the email. What we will really appreciate is that you report EACH problem you have. Like this you are telling about O2.
This is the only way we have to progress. If nobody reports...so, thanks for reporting, and keep doing that.
In Pharo, you can have several System Browsers:
- The default you have in a PharoCore image. Very limited but fast. - OB (omnibrowser) is better than de default, with several features, refactoring tools, etc. It doesn't manage packages, thus. Now, it is the default in dev images. - O2 browser, that has package support and was the standard at the moment the book was wrote. It seemed to be too slow, and for other reasons, it was changed the default, to OB.
We will releasing a new image very soon (maybe this weekend). But, for the moment, if you don't care you can download the latest PharoDev image for BetaTesting from here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1....
There you will have the OB as default, as I explained you, but...you will be able to install O2 in that image. To install O2, evaluate in a Workspace, the following code:
Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package:'ConfigurationOfO2'; load.
(Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault.
The next Pharo image, will have a welcome workspace specially for new people, with tutorials and with the pieces of code ready to install commong projects such as O2, Seaside 2.8 and 3.0, Magritte, Pier, Moose, etc... I would really appreciate if you can give us your feedback for that.
Cheers and welcome!
Mariano
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Michael Litchard <michael@schmong.org>wrote:
This got solved in #squeak on freenode. Thanks guys. :)
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Michael Litchard <michael@schmong.org> wrote:
Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's one I'm finding difficult to ignore. I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question.
Michael Litchard.
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I think you have to wait a little bit, because right now Pharo 1.0 is not officially out and there is still some work on Pharo By Example to sync the book with the Pharo 1.0 image. 2010/1/22 Michael Litchard <michael@schmong.org>:
Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's one I'm finding difficult to ignore. I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question.
Michael Litchard.
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-- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/
Michael we will provide an image with Pharo by example. We were waiting to get 1.0 out and this is really soon now. Thanks for your feedback. Stef On Jan 21, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Michael Litchard wrote:
Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's one I'm finding difficult to ignore. I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question.
Michael Litchard.
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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Stéphane Ducasse