[Pharo-project] 64 bit
Hello list! I was wondering, are you going to provide a 64-bit OneClick package any time soon? When and what does that depend on? If not, how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux? -- Milan Mimica http://sparklet.sf.net
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Milan Mimica <milan.mimica@gmail.com> wrote:
how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?
you can try to follow Mariano's blog posts: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/journey-through-the-vm/. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Milan Mimica <milan.mimica@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list!
I was wondering, are you going to provide a 64-bit OneClick package any time soon? When and what does that depend on?
mmm not sure. Compile the VM in 64 bits is not that complicated. Problem is that some plugins do not work with 64 bits VM, like FFI.
If not, how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?
I think we already tried. Maybe it was using SystemTracer. For example, here is a 64 bits image: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26274/PharoCore64-1.1-11196-UNSTABL... Notice that when using VM + image in 64 bits right now, we are NOT taking advantage of all its 64 bits. I mean, you may be able to make it work out of the box in a 64 bits machine/OS but that doesn't mean that the VM + image is using really using the 64. Maybe 32 bits of them are zero ;) Anyway, at some point in the future, we will have real 64 bits vm, a new object format/header, etc. But not sure it will be "soon". Cheers -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Sorry, maybe I was not clear enough. You DO NOT need to have a 64 bits image + VM to make it work in a 64 bits OS/Processor. All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS. Why do you want a 64 bits image? On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com
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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Milan Mimica <milan.mimica@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello list!
I was wondering, are you going to provide a 64-bit OneClick package any time soon? When and what does that depend on?
mmm not sure. Compile the VM in 64 bits is not that complicated. Problem is that some plugins do not work with 64 bits VM, like FFI.
If not, how do I go about building my own 64-bit image on linux?
I think we already tried. Maybe it was using SystemTracer. For example, here is a 64 bits image: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26274/PharoCore64-1.1-11196-UNSTABL...
Notice that when using VM + image in 64 bits right now, we are NOT taking advantage of all its 64 bits. I mean, you may be able to make it work out of the box in a 64 bits machine/OS but that doesn't mean that the VM + image is using really using the 64. Maybe 32 bits of them are zero ;) Anyway, at some point in the future, we will have real 64 bits vm, a new object format/header, etc. But not sure it will be "soon".
Cheers
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS. Why do you want a 64 bits image?
Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak. My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P -- Milan Mimica http://sparklet.sf.net
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Milan Mimica <milan.mimica@gmail.com>wrote:
On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS. Why do you want a 64 bits image?
Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak. My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P
What a bad religion. My two years old machine has 500GB HDD. I still don't know what to do with so much space.
-- Milan Mimica http://sparklet.sf.net
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On 8 September 2011 11:43, Milan Mimica <milan.mimica@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS. Why do you want a 64 bits image?
Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak. My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P
and my religion forbids me to use 64bit OS. because i don't see what i cannot do with 32bit one :)
-- Milan Mimica http://sparklet.sf.net
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
On 09/08/2011 11:15 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 8 September 2011 11:43, Milan Mimica<milan.mimica@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8 September 2011 09:59, Mariano Martinez Peck<marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
All you need is the 32 bits libraries of the OS. Why do you want a 64 bits image? Because I don't want to have 500MB of libs installed just for squeak. My religion forbids me, so no point discussing that :P
and my religion forbids me to use 64bit OS. because i don't see what i cannot do with 32bit one :) I guess if you were an OSX or Windows user you'd see quickly why you need 64bit.
Oh and ... position independent code doesn't work in x86, just x86-64 ;)
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