Re: [Pharo-project] New to PHP 5.4: Traits
really really excellent! On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:22 PM, jaayer wrote:
---- On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:22:51 -0800 Stéphane Ducasse wrote ----
really really excellent!
Excellent that other, lesser languages like PHP, Perl 6 and Scala have already adopted and standardized Traits while the reactionaries in the Smalltalk community still resist doing the same?
On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:22 PM, jaayer wrote:
Hi: On 21 Nov 2010, at 21:47, jaayer wrote:
Excellent that other, lesser languages like PHP, Perl 6 and Scala have already adopted and standardized Traits while the reactionaries in the Smalltalk community still resist doing the same? Ignoring all the sarcasm in that comment: I don't see any form of standardization here. I am not aware that any of the other existing PHP implementations has picked up Traits so far.
And well, it is about 3 years from the first implementation to a first release in an official alpha version of PHP. There is still a loooong way to go... Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
---- On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:06:35 -0800 Stefan Marr wrote ----
Hi:
On 21 Nov 2010, at 21:47, jaayer wrote:
Excellent that other, lesser languages like PHP, Perl 6 and Scala have already adopted and standardized Traits while the reactionaries in the Smalltalk community still resist doing the same? Ignoring all the sarcasm in that comment: I don't see any form of standardization here. I am not aware that any of the other existing PHP implementations has picked up Traits so far.
PHP has no standard; the implementation is the standard, and Traits are being added to the implementation, hence, "standardization." My point remains; other languages are or have already adopted Traits while the Smalltalk community, from which the concept sprang, continues to drag its heels after nearly a decade since their introduction.
And well, it is about 3 years from the first implementation to a first release in an official alpha version of PHP. There is still a loooong way to go...
No, there isn't, at least not compared with the rate of Smalltalk's adoption of Traits. Face it. There are just too many Smalltalkers who seem to think the language is a complete revelation that no mortal has the right to amend. Other languages can grow to accommodate new features; Smalltalk, which went through a number major revisions in the 70s at PARC, remains frozen in the amber of 1980.
Best regards Stefan
-- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
Really cool! Thanks Stefan for your work! Alexandre On 21 Nov 2010, at 18:06, Stefan Marr wrote:
Hi:
On 21 Nov 2010, at 21:47, jaayer wrote:
Excellent that other, lesser languages like PHP, Perl 6 and Scala have already adopted and standardized Traits while the reactionaries in the Smalltalk community still resist doing the same? Ignoring all the sarcasm in that comment: I don't see any form of standardization here. I am not aware that any of the other existing PHP implementations has picked up Traits so far.
And well, it is about 3 years from the first implementation to a first release in an official alpha version of PHP. There is still a loooong way to go...
Best regards Stefan
-- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
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