I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Name-Overload-tp4874242.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Why ? We did not have Pharo-stack.app and Pharo-cog.app and none complained before. Spur will become the default soon enough and you will forget about the other as you forgot about stack vm. On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 at 17:20, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names.
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Name-Overload-tp4874242.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
kilon.alios wrote
none complained before
This has been a consistent complaint about PharoLauncher's branding as just "Pharo", when "Pharo" already means something else. The Cog/Spur just made it a bit worse. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Name-Overload-tp4874242p4874285.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
To tell you the truth your idea sound unconventional to me as a Macos user. I never seen an app to put in its name nothing more than the name of the app, maybe just maybe the version though even that is rare. App is essentially just a folder you can navigate . I don't see a good reason for the average Pharo user to name Pharo,app anything but that. Since most of us we won't care or at least thats the way I see it. On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 at 20:32, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
kilon.alios wrote
none complained before
This has been a consistent complaint about PharoLauncher's branding as just "Pharo", when "Pharo" already means something else. The Cog/Spur just made it a bit worse.
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Name-Overload-tp4874242p4874285.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> writes:
Spur will become the default soon enough and you will forget about the other as you forgot about stack vm.
I'm not sure this is what will happen. I have the impression that we will have one VM for Pharo 4, one VM for Pharo 5, one VM for Pharo 6... -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 06:24:48PM +0000, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
Why ? We did not have Pharo-stack.app and Pharo-cog.app and none complained
I've also renamed Pharo to "Pharo Cog" or whatever as the case may be using Finder. Using Terminal rename Pharo.app to "Pharo Cog.app". Pierce
"Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> writes:
I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names.
I'm not an OS X user, but I have the impression that .app is reserved for graphical applications, one you can start with a double click. For me, no Pharo VM is a graphical application and thus none deserve its .app file in /Applications. On the contrary, what we currently call the Pharo Launcher is a graphical application so it deserves a .app file. I called it just Pharo.app because I didn't see any concurrence on the name and some in the Pharo board would like the launcher to be the default Pharo download (the one behind the big Download button on the website). We could improve the situation by putting all Pharo VMs inside the Pharo Launcher's .app file. Who volunteers? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@inria.fr> wrote:
"Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> writes:
I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names.
I'm not an OS X user, but I have the impression that .app is reserved for graphical applications, one you can start with a double click. For me, no Pharo VM is a graphical application and thus none deserve its .app file in /Applications.
On the contrary, what we currently call the Pharo Launcher is a graphical application so it deserves a .app file. I called it just Pharo.app because I didn't see any concurrence on the name and some in the Pharo board would like the launcher to be the default Pharo download (the one behind the big Download button on the website).
It would be great for Pharo Launcher to be the default download, but why can it not still be called "PharoLauncher.app". It is still just an app on top of *real* Pharo and calling the launcher Pharo.app I believe presents a cognitive dissonance for a newcomer to understand the distinction. The launcher is used to start non-/more-than-Pharo applications like Moose, so to me the launcher application is more generic than just Pharo. Seeing a launcher is generically "a computer program that helps a user to locate and start other computer programs" [1] to me it makes sense to explicitly keep "Launcher" in the app name as the default download. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_desktop_application_launchers cheers -ben
We could improve the situation by putting all Pharo VMs inside the Pharo Launcher's .app file. Who volunteers?
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> writes:
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@inria.fr> wrote:
"Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> writes:
I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names.
I'm not an OS X user, but I have the impression that .app is reserved for graphical applications, one you can start with a double click. For me, no Pharo VM is a graphical application and thus none deserve its .app file in /Applications.
On the contrary, what we currently call the Pharo Launcher is a graphical application so it deserves a .app file. I called it just Pharo.app because I didn't see any concurrence on the name and some in the Pharo board would like the launcher to be the default Pharo download (the one behind the big Download button on the website).
It would be great for Pharo Launcher to be the default download, but why can it not still be called "PharoLauncher.app". It is still just an app on top of *real* Pharo and calling the launcher Pharo.app I believe presents a cognitive dissonance for a newcomer to understand the distinction. The launcher is used to start non-/more-than-Pharo applications like Moose, so to me the launcher application is more generic than just Pharo. Seeing a launcher is generically "a computer program that helps a user to locate and start other computer programs" [1] to me it makes sense to explicitly keep "Launcher" in the app name as the default download.
I disagree but I don't care enough to argue. If OS X users agree (and maybe the board as well), someone should make the change (that won't be me :-)). -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
I still wonder why Pharolauncher is not Pharo.app yet. And I could not agree more with your post about apps. But I think I have upset enough people this week :D On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 at 14:04, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@inria.fr> wrote:
Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> writes:
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@inria.fr> wrote:
"Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> writes:
I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names.
I'm not an OS X user, but I have the impression that .app is reserved for graphical applications, one you can start with a double click. For me, no Pharo VM is a graphical application and thus none deserve its .app file in /Applications.
On the contrary, what we currently call the Pharo Launcher is a graphical application so it deserves a .app file. I called it just Pharo.app because I didn't see any concurrence on the name and some in the Pharo board would like the launcher to be the default Pharo download (the one behind the big Download button on the website).
It would be great for Pharo Launcher to be the default download, but why can it not still be called "PharoLauncher.app". It is still just an app on top of *real* Pharo and calling the launcher Pharo.app I believe presents a cognitive dissonance for a newcomer to understand the distinction. The launcher is used to start non-/more-than-Pharo applications like Moose, so to me the launcher application is more generic than just Pharo. Seeing a launcher is generically "a computer program that helps a user to locate and start other computer programs" [1] to me it makes sense to explicitly keep "Launcher" in the app name as the default download.
I disagree but I don't care enough to argue. If OS X users agree (and maybe the board as well), someone should make the change (that won't be me :-)).
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 06:56:00AM -0800, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
I now have three Pharo.app files on my Mac - Launcher, Spur, and non-Spur. It would be great if we can agree to call one thing Pharo, and add appropriate modifiers to the other two names.
Using more Linux than OSX these days coz my MB battery is crapping out but I recall in the days of compiling source from squeakvm.org and early Cog versions that the OSX app icon has a different colour depending on version - pastel pink and light blue for squeakvm versions and gold for Cog. Perhaps the same can be done now, or make the words like Launcher, Spur etc part of the icon. Pierce
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