[Pharo-project] why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?
Hi, I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen. Cheers, Esteban
I don't know why, but how did you open in that case the world menu without minimizing every window? Cheers, Guille On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi, I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.
Cheers, Esteban
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Which is an argument against the world menu?? ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Guillermo Polito [guillermopolito@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:53 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1? I don't know why, but how did you open in that case the world menu without minimizing every window? Cheers, Guille On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com<mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen. Cheers, Esteban _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be visible". Is there? If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full screen helps. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>wrote:
Which is an argument against the world menu??
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [ pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Guillermo Polito [guillermopolito@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:53 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] why "maximize" does not fills all the window in 1.1?
I don't know why, but how did you open in that case the world menu without minimizing every window?
Cheers, Guille
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.
Cheers, Esteban
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Carla F. Griggio wrote:
Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P
It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be visible". Is there?
If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full screen helps.
I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)? http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/World_Menu.png On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning. http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com>wrote:
Carla F. Griggio wrote:
Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P
It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to
be
visible". Is there?
If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full screen helps.
I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)?
This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS. Cheers Mariano
On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.
http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.
That would be nice, but no that mock-up is quickly made in Visio. As much as I would like to make stuff like that, I wouldn't have a clue how to do something like that in Morphic ;( Any links to good/recent morphic tutorials would be great :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:34 01PM, Geert Claes wrote:
Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.
That would be nice, but no that mock-up is quickly made in Visio. As much as I would like to make stuff like that, I wouldn't have a clue how to do something like that in Morphic ;( Any links to good/recent morphic tutorials would be great :) --
The same DockingBarMorph you see in Squeak 4.1 is still there, just not used / containing any items :) DockingBarMorph new adhereToTop; openInWorld Cheers, Henry
What would be great is not using the squeak menu inside the world, but drawing it on the system window. More like mac's, that is integrated in the global menu. In Linux there is a GlobalMenuApplet for Gnome Panels that works like mac's Global Menu, and removes the menu from the windows and merges on the pannel. It's a nice advance to a mac interface. (That and CairoDock, of course) I don't have a clue about how to do it, but dreaming is free. :) Cheers, Mariano. 2010/7/8 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com>wrote:
Carla F. Griggio wrote:
Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P
It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to
be
visible". Is there?
If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full screen helps.
I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)?
This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS.
Cheers
Mariano
On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.
http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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For Mariano's side note... http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2716 Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano Abel Coca To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] why "maximize" does not fills all the window in1.1? What would be great is not using the squeak menu inside the world, but drawing it on the system window. More like mac's, that is integrated in the global menu. In Linux there is a GlobalMenuApplet for Gnome Panels that works like mac's Global Menu, and removes the menu from the windows and merges on the pannel. It's a nice advance to a mac interface. (That and CairoDock, of course) I don't have a clue about how to do it, but dreaming is free. :) Cheers, Mariano. 2010/7/8 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote: Carla F. Griggio wrote: > > Hahaha, good point, Wilhelm :P > > It kind of bothered me at first, but then I noticed it was more > confortable to open the World Menu, although I thought "maybe there's > another way to open the World menu where I don't need the background to be > visible". Is there? > > If not, I agree that there should be a way to do it without depending on > the background. But in the meantime, not maximizing the windows to full > screen helps. > I was thinking that a while ago as well. How about a top menu-bar like the Apple Menu like this (see screen mockup)? http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/World_Menu.png This is cool. You did it? is it working ? because we have HostMenus-Mac, but it is only MacOS. Cheers Mariano On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning. http://forum.world.st/file/n2281990/Better_Window_Icons.png -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Thanks Gary, that's great! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Maybe using more graphics from the Aristo-Theme could be a solution for the window-button problem? http://cappuccinotutorials.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bildschirmfoto-2009-1... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Gary, that's great! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/why-maximize-does-not-fills-all-the-window-in-1-1-tp22... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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On Jul 8, 2010, at 10:30 15AM, Geert Claes wrote:
On a side note, there's another small thing which has been bothering me is that even though I really like the Mac theme and look and feel the Red/Yellow/Green Close/Min/Max buttons don't indicate which one is which on a mouse-over so you need to know which color does what. I liked the windows button I saw in one of the Smalltalk Medicine Show video's. It still had a nice look-n-feel but the icons actually had more meaning.
Displaying x / + / - over the red/green/yellow dots when hovered over, like is done in OSX, shouldn't be too hard. Vistary theme already does this, so it's a simple matter of creating new images, and studying what is done there. Not sure it'd be as easy to go for the black dot in the red button if window has unsaved changes though :) Cheers, Henry
Le 07/07/2010 15:02, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
Hi, I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.
Cheers, Esteban Hi Esteban, there is a setting for that. Appearance/Morphic/Windows/Full screen margin
Cheers Alain
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cool, thanks On 2010-07-08 07:29:46 -0300, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec@free.fr> said:
Le 07/07/2010 15:02, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
Hi, I wonder why we rollback this change... maybe is stupid, but I liked
the 1.0 behavior: when you hit maximize you fills the full world screen.
Cheers, Esteban Hi Esteban, there is a setting for that. Appearance/Morphic/Windows/Full screen margin
Cheers Alain
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Schwab,Wilhelm K