[Pharo-project] Smalltalkhub needs your quick in the ass :)
Hi guys Nicolas released internally a new version of smalltalkhub and everyday he finds a good reason not to announce it. So please do us a favor⦠create some projects and push your code there so that nicolas gets the feel of a alive and kicking smalltalkhub :) Stef
To migrate a whole repository from SqueakSource to SmalltalkHub, here's how I've done (maybe there's a better way): Gofer it squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; package: 'ProfStef-Core'; package: 'ProfStef-Help'; package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; fetch. Gofer it url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/LaurentLaffont/ProfStef/main' username: 'LaurentLaffont' password: 'mysecretpassword'; package: 'ProfStef-Core'; package: 'ProfStef-Help'; package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; push. Laurent On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
Nicolas released internally a new version of smalltalkhub and everyday he finds a good reason not to announce it. So please do us a favor⦠create some projects and push your code there so that nicolas gets the feel of a alive and kicking smalltalkhub :)
Stef
I wanted to migrate all my projects to smalltalk hub long ago. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
Hi: On 15 May 2012, at 23:23, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi guys
Nicolas released internally a new version of smalltalkhub and everyday he finds a good reason not to announce it. So please do us a favor⦠create some projects and push your code there so that nicolas gets the feel of a alive and kicking smalltalkhub :)
Looks very nice. But betting 100% on AJAX is probably not a good idea for Google rankings. Google current entry looks like: """ SmalltalkHub www.smalltalkhub.com/ Loading. Please wait. New Session Configure Halos Profile Memory XHTML 0/0 ms. """ The cached screenshot also indicates that it wont be able to find any of the hosted projects. Reminds me a bit of the good old times with Flash... Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
Dne 16. 05. 2012 09:09, piše Stefan Marr:
Looks very nice. But betting 100% on AJAX is probably not a good idea for Google rankings.
Google current entry looks like: """ SmalltalkHub www.smalltalkhub.com/ Loading. Please wait. New Session Configure Halos Profile Memory XHTML 0/0 ms. """
The cached screenshot also indicates that it wont be able to find any of the hosted projects. Reminds me a bit of the good old times with Flash...
Agree, this is a step back from previous version of StHub and I hope Nico will rethink it a bit. Why not a plain HTML pages with Amber/JavaScript generated content only for things that really need that? Also, I hope a code browser with REST URL for every package, class and method is also coming, so that we will be able email links to the code, or post it on IRC, blogs... Note that GitHub has currently an advantage over StHub because it is SEO friendly and Google searchable. If StHub won't be, we lost a big opportunity here. And because of recent Dale's progress I would then rather think about migrating everything to GitHub instead. Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Hi guys! Thanks stef for the kick in the ass ;) - Smalltalkhub *will be SEO friendly* and have static version for crawlers - SmalltalkHub misses some features and the homepage isn't done yet - The next version especially will have an UI for adding contributors and a working search page Cheers! Nico 2012/5/16 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si>
Dne 16. 05. 2012 09:09, piše Stefan Marr:
Looks very nice. But betting 100% on AJAX is probably not a good idea for Google rankings.
Google current entry looks like: """ SmalltalkHub www.smalltalkhub.com/ Loading. Please wait. New Session Configure Halos Profile Memory XHTML 0/0 ms. """
The cached screenshot also indicates that it wont be able to find any of the hosted projects. Reminds me a bit of the good old times with Flash...
Agree, this is a step back from previous version of StHub and I hope Nico will rethink it a bit. Why not a plain HTML pages with Amber/JavaScript generated content only for things that really need that? Also, I hope a code browser with REST URL for every package, class and method is also coming, so that we will be able email links to the code, or post it on IRC, blogs...
Note that GitHub has currently an advantage over StHub because it is SEO friendly and Google searchable. If StHub won't be, we lost a big opportunity here. And because of recent Dale's progress I would then rather think about migrating everything to GitHub instead.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:48 AM, nicolas petton <petton.nicolas@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks stef for the kick in the ass ;)
- Smalltalkhub *will be SEO friendly* and have static version for crawlers - SmalltalkHub misses some features and the homepage isn't done yet - The next version especially will have an UI for adding contributors and a working search page
Thank you Nico, you are doing an amazing work. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
Hi Nico: On 16 May 2012, at 10:48, nicolas petton wrote:
- Smalltalkhub *will be SEO friendly* and have static version for crawlers Well, you are very brief, and I might misunderstand you, but: IMHO that approach did not work out for the kind of Flash pages we built back then. Not only is the loading animation a reminiscence of dark times, but the overall approach has prove to be unmaintainable, in my experience.
Since we have the example GitHub: To my understanding, their approach is the other way around, and seems to work a lot better. They have static pages, and these static pages are _augmented_ with AJAX to give human users a better experience. So, seems to me a lot different to what we did back then with Flash, and what looks like your current approach. Anyway, nice project, and it looks visually very polished :) Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525
2012/5/16 Stefan Marr <smalltalk@stefan-marr.de>
Hi Nico:
On 16 May 2012, at 10:48, nicolas petton wrote:
- Smalltalkhub *will be SEO friendly* and have static version for crawlers Well, you are very brief, and I might misunderstand you, but: IMHO that approach did not work out for the kind of Flash pages we built back then. Not only is the loading animation a reminiscence of dark times, but the overall approach has prove to be unmaintainable, in my experience.
Since we have the example GitHub: To my understanding, their approach is the other way around, and seems to work a lot better. They have static pages, and these static pages are _augmented_ with AJAX to give human users a better experience.
So, seems to me a lot different to what we did back then with Flash, and what looks like your current approach.
My current approach is very similar to what Twitter and some other modern web apps do. The UI is built on the client-side, and pages (will be) built on the server for fallback (including bookmarkable urls and everything).
Anyway, nice project, and it looks visually very polished :)
Thank you :) Nico
Am 15.05.2012 um 23:23 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse:
Hi guys
Nicolas released internally a new version of smalltalkhub and everyday he finds a good reason not to announce it. So please do us a favor⦠create some projects and push your code there so that nicolas gets the feel of a alive and kicking smalltalkhub :)
How should it be alive is there wasn't a single announcement that it is supposed to be used? Norbert
Is there an issue tracker for smalltalkhub? help and news link at the top are dead! Norbert Am 15.05.2012 um 23:23 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse:
Hi guys
Nicolas released internally a new version of smalltalkhub and everyday he finds a good reason not to announce it. So please do us a favor⦠create some projects and push your code there so that nicolas gets the feel of a alive and kicking smalltalkhub :)
Stef
Am 15.05.2012 um 23:23 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse:
Hi guys
Nicolas released internally a new version of smalltalkhub and everyday he finds a good reason not to announce it. So please do us a favor⦠create some projects and push your code there so that nicolas gets the feel of a alive and kicking smalltalkhub :)
I think the core functionality is usable. But the whole site is not welcoming. The start page should be a site overall dashboard that shows a summary of the current activity. More important even is a working search. At the moment you just get a javascript alert window. It is just impossible to find another project at the moment. So I don't even know if there are any :) Just try to go to the site without an account and try to find/do anything. Norbert
participants (8)
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Damien Cassou -
Igor Stasenko -
Janko Mivšek -
laurent laffont -
nicolas petton -
Norbert Hartl -
Stefan Marr -
Stéphane Ducasse