[Pharo-project] First GemStone, now Dabbled DB ...
So, Twitter acquired Smallthought Systems (DabbleDB/Trendly) http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html I guess that'll be the end of Dabble DB. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2251325.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote:
So, Twitter acquired Smallthought Systems (DabbleDB/Trendly) http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html  I guess that'll be the end of Dabble DB.
Maybe Twitter will use Smalltalk+Gemstone instead of Ruby ;-) -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/
Geert Claes wrote:
So, Twitter acquired Smallthought Systems (DabbleDB/Trendly) http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html I guess that'll be the end of Dabble DB.
Geert, In all fairness, the VMWare acquisition of GemStone is very different from the Twitter acquisition of DabbleDB. Under VMWare, GemStone/S is continuing to do business as usual, with no plans to impact our business in the foreseeable future. Dale
Dale Henrichs wrote:
In all fairness, the VMWare acquisition of GemStone is very different from the Twitter acquisition of DabbleDB.
No worries Dale, I was just referring to another Smalltalk company being acquired :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2252218.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
The question is whether Twitter will recognize that there were reasons that DabbleDB was worth acquiring, and that much of it might be lost in any forced translation they might have in mind. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Geert Claes [geert.wl.claes@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:52 PM To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] First GemStone, now Dabbled DB ... Dale Henrichs wrote:
In all fairness, the VMWare acquisition of GemStone is very different from the Twitter acquisition of DabbleDB.
No worries Dale, I was just referring to another Smalltalk company being acquired :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2252218.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
The question is whether Twitter will recognize that there were reasons that DabbleDB was worth acquiring, and that much of it might be lost in any forced translation they might have in mind.
Well, they acquired Smallthought and seem to be more interested in Trendly (which probably makes more sense for Twitter) rather than DabbleDB. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2252241.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
DabbleDB is not the only Smalltalk casualty here, but, apparently, too, Avi himself. Will Twitter use any of Smallthought's Smalltalk-based technology? It appears, to me, they're intent on eventually shutting it all down. 60 days doesn't seem like a lot of time for a large customer to find a new system, wow... On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
The question is whether Twitter will recognize that there were reasons that DabbleDB was worth acquiring, and that much of it might be lost in any forced translation they might have in mind.
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Geert Claes [geert.wl.claes@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:52 PM To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] First GemStone, now Dabbled DB ...
Dale Henrichs wrote:
In all fairness, the VMWare acquisition of GemStone is very different from the Twitter acquisition of DabbleDB.
No worries Dale, I was just referring to another Smalltalk company being acquired :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2252218.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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On 14 June 2010 02:33, Chris Muller <asqueaker@gmail.com> wrote:
DabbleDB is not the only Smalltalk casualty here, but, apparently, too, Avi himself. Â Will Twitter use any of Smallthought's Smalltalk-based technology? Â It appears, to me, they're intent on eventually shutting it all down. Â 60 days doesn't seem like a lot of time for a large customer to find a new system, wow...
Acquring a company to simply shut it down? I doubt this is the case, because it doesn't makes much sense in this situation. Twitter were competing with DabbleDB? I don't wanna speculate about it.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
The question is whether Twitter will recognize that there were reasons that DabbleDB was worth acquiring, and that much of it might be lost in any forced translation they might have in mind.
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Dale Henrichs wrote:
In all fairness, the VMWare acquisition of GemStone is very different from the Twitter acquisition of DabbleDB.
No worries Dale, I was just referring to another Smalltalk company being acquired :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2252218.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
DabbleDB is not the only Smalltalk casualty here, but, apparently, too, Avi himself. Will Twitter use any of Smallthought's Smalltalk-based technology? It appears, to me, they're intent on eventually shutting it all down. 60 days doesn't seem like a lot of time for a large customer to find a new system, wow...
I have no inside information, but the above seems me to be unwarranted. First, the style comes across as "assume the worst and place the burden on the other party to clear up the confusion." Can't we give someone who has done so much for our community the benefit of the doubt? Next, if you read the public announcements, it seems evident that the primary value was an analytics tool (and the people who built it), not a Seaside application. True, we haven't heard much about the technology behind Trendly, but why are you assuming it isn't Smalltalk? What language would you use if you were doing complex data analysis? It isn't like they got bought by Microsoft because they have demonstrated proficiency with C#. You might read the promise to "for now, we will continue to provide our software and technical supports" as "intent on eventually shutting it all down," but I read it as "change is coming, but we haven't determined exactly the direction." As to possible transitions over some future 60 day period, my understanding of the customer base is that there is no "large customer." The whole model of the system is focused on small data sets. Perhaps nothing could fully replace DabbleDB, but that doesn't mean that the people that have had the benefit of it are worse off if they eventually have to return to a less useful alternative. Again, I have no information beyond what Avi and others have shared at conferences. I just choose to rejoice in the much-deserved success of a respected member of our community. James
They use Java, Python and Ruby and some Squeak and Javascript On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:09 AM, James Foster <Smalltalk@jgfoster.net> wrote:
On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
DabbleDB is not the only Smalltalk casualty here, but, apparently, too, Avi himself. Â Will Twitter use any of Smallthought's Smalltalk-based technology? Â It appears, to me, they're intent on eventually shutting it all down. Â 60 days doesn't seem like a lot of time for a large customer to find a new system, wow...
I have no inside information, but the above seems me to be unwarranted. First, the style comes across as "assume the worst and place the burden on the other party to clear up the confusion." Can't we give someone who has done so much for our community the benefit of the doubt?
Next, if you read the public announcements, it seems evident that the primary value was an analytics tool (and the people who built it), not a Seaside application. True, we haven't heard much about the technology behind Trendly, but why are you assuming it isn't Smalltalk? What language would you use if you were doing complex data analysis? It isn't like they got bought by Microsoft because they have demonstrated proficiency with C#.
You might read the promise to "for now, we will continue to provide our software and technical supports" as "intent on eventually shutting it all down," but I read it as "change is coming, but we haven't determined exactly the direction." As to possible transitions over some future 60 day period, my understanding of the customer base is that there is no "large customer." The whole model of the system is focused on small data sets. Perhaps nothing could fully replace DabbleDB, but that doesn't mean that the people that have had the benefit of it are worse off if they eventually have to return to a less useful alternative.
Again, I have no information beyond what Avi and others have shared at conferences. I just choose to rejoice in the much-deserved success of a respected member of our community.
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Chris Muller-3 wrote:
DabbleDB is not the only Smalltalk casualty here, but, apparently, too, Avi himself. Will Twitter use any of Smallthought's Smalltalk-based technology? It appears, to me, they're intent on eventually shutting it all down. 60 days doesn't seem like a lot of time for a large customer to find a new system, wow...
Casualty? I don't think so, Avi is a smart cookie and I am sure he'll wow the folks at Twitter :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/First-GemStone-now-Dabbled-DB-tp2251325p2253958.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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