[Pharo-project] Pharo in Debian
Hello I am currently attempting to build the VM on Debian Linux (I grew tired of OSX lack of support for tools like Sourcenavigator and the like and Macports breaking all the time with the Xcode 4.x and so on). So, a question came to minid: Is there any reason why there is a squeak package in the Debian Linux but nothing about Pharo? (Or I didn't find it) I'd love to be able to do apt-get install pharo and just run. This would be nice to have just that, especially now that we can run headless, etc... I don't have a clue about Debian packaging but as there is already squeak, we may be able to reuse a bit. Phil
Hi Philippe, On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
I don't have a clue about Debian packaging but as there is already squeak, we may be able to reuse a bit.
it would be great if you could have a look at that. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
On 22 Feb 2013, at 10:16, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Philippe,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
I don't have a clue about Debian packaging but as there is already squeak, we may be able to reuse a bit.
it would be great if you could have a look at that.
Yes, that would indeed be super, but it is slightly more complicated than that. In order to get your package into the official repositories, you need to follow a lot of rules and processes, and it is quite slow and conservative (months if not years), all to increase quality and stability. I am not sure it matches well with Pharo's development velocity. The One-Click, the scripts that Camillo did or just a plain VM download with basic documentation (like a read me ;-) are not that bad. We should make an effort to improve what we have. Sven
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"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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Am 22.02.2013 um 10:28 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
On 22 Feb 2013, at 10:16, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Philippe,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
I don't have a clue about Debian packaging but as there is already squeak, we may be able to reuse a bit.
it would be great if you could have a look at that.
Yes, that would indeed be super, but it is slightly more complicated than that.
In order to get your package into the official repositories, you need to follow a lot of rules and processes, and it is quite slow and conservative (months if not years), all to increase quality and stability. I am not sure it matches well with Pharo's development velocity.
The One-Click, the scripts that Camillo did or just a plain VM download with basic documentation (like a read me ;-) are not that bad. We should make an effort to improve what we have.
I don't see much of a reason to go for the official distribution. Debian is very special in that case and the last attempts to do it have shown that the two systems (debian and pharo) are no good match process wise. To the rescue there is launchpad [1] and PPAs (personal package archives). You can open a project in launchpad and make a PPA for your own package. The final installation instructions are somthing like sudo add-apt-repository ppa:LAUNCHPAD-USER/PPA-NAME and then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME I assume that the ease of installing is the main target and that you can get with PPA. my two cents, Norbert [1] https://launchpad.net/
Hi, I do not really care about being in the official repositories at this point, but rather be able to add our own to the list of repositories (even by hand) so that we can get apt-get install pharovm and apt-get install pharo20 just do their trick. There is a ton of software requiring addition of their repos so it is a doable route IMV. Then we could think about going into the offical repos. Anyway, I now have a fresh Debian 6 up and running, along with SVN. Next step, get the VM sources, build for linux, get the VM running. Then, package the whole thing. Hopefully doable in beta form for april. Phil 2013/2/22 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu>:
On 22 Feb 2013, at 10:16, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Philippe,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
I don't have a clue about Debian packaging but as there is already squeak, we may be able to reuse a bit.
it would be great if you could have a look at that.
Yes, that would indeed be super, but it is slightly more complicated than that.
In order to get your package into the official repositories, you need to follow a lot of rules and processes, and it is quite slow and conservative (months if not years), all to increase quality and stability. I am not sure it matches well with Pharo's development velocity.
The One-Click, the scripts that Camillo did or just a plain VM download with basic documentation (like a read me ;-) are not that bad. We should make an effort to improve what we have.
Sven
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
-- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
Anyway, I now have a fresh Debian 6 up and running, along with SVN. Next step, get the VM sources, build for linux, get the VM running. Then, package the whole thing. Hopefully doable in beta form for april.
that would be awesome -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
VM runs already. Now, packaging. but not today nor tomorrow as I am busy w/ client work. 2013/2/25 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM, phil@highoctane.be <phil@highoctane.be> wrote:
Anyway, I now have a fresh Debian 6 up and running, along with SVN. Next step, get the VM sources, build for linux, get the VM running. Then, package the whole thing. Hopefully doable in beta form for april.
that would be awesome
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill
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