[Pharo-project] Fwd: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
I agree that it would be nice to have these tools easier accessible. Question is how they can be invoked from the debug menu... probably works better in the context menu below "tally it". Then, we have to take care that the menu does not get too long again. I suggest to add a submenu for less used commands like "watch it", "tally it", and "chase pointers". Cheers, Adrian BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window! On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
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On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
I agree that it would be nice to have these tools easier accessible.
Question is how they can be invoked from the debug menu... probably works better in the context menu below "tally it". Then, we have to take care that the menu does not get too long again. I suggest to add a submenu for less used commands like "watch it", "tally it", and "chase pointers".
Yes this is what I meant! Do you open an issue? This kind of Smalltalk gems should be put in front :)
Cheers, Adrian
BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
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BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can suppress the keybidding for tallyIt. Cheers, Alexandre
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
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I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think. Adrian On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
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Sorry for the multiple mails. I forgot to mention that it would be much better if "tally it" shows the actual tally output (i.e., what you get with MessageTally spyOn: [...]) instead of just measuring the time it requires to compile and run the code. Adrian On Mar 3, 2009, at 20:45 , Adrian Lienhard wrote:
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
Adrian
On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
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I agree. Oddly enough, the (w) shortcut was bound to tallyIt. Anyway, I changed the labels. a New version of Kernel is in Inbox. Alexandre On 3 Mar 2009, at 20:45, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
Adrian
On Mar 3, 2009, at 19:11 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:
BTW, the keyboard shortcut (w) indicated with "tally it" and also with "watch it" does not work; it closes the window!
I was not aware of this. What would be a good keybinding? Maybe I can suppress the keybidding for tallyIt.
Cheers, Alexandre
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:30 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From: stéphane ducasse <ducasse@iam.unibe.ch> Date: March 2, 2009 11:00:09 PM CEST To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: about adding chasing pointers and friends in the debug menu
Hi
we can only access pointer finder and chase pointer from the inspector menu and it would be nice to have that much more accessible. What do you think?
Stef
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2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it" -- Cédrick
On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key? Adrian
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key?
which keys are free (if any)? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
which keys are free (if any)?
seeing system>keyboard shortcut none in letters (upercase or not...). This shortcuts are all on ParagraphEditor class side... While refactoring, couldn't it be possible to integrate shortcuts in here too ? -- Cédrick
Damien Cassou wrote:
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key?
which keys are free (if any)?
cmd-shift D would be the logical thing. Keith
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key?
which keys are free (if any)?
cmd-shift D would be the logical thing.
Adrian came to the same conclusion. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key?
ctr alt suppr :) no seriously, don't know... maybe if we could find a way to integrate inspector/explorer we could use "alt shift i" "alt shift d" would be cool but it's duplicate which I've never used... do you ? useful though I guess... to copy paste code ;)
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On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:45 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
On Mar 4, 2009, at 15:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
2009/3/3 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
I don't think these two items need a keyboard shortcut. It's not something you do all the time and would learn a shortcut for, I think.
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
yes! I always wondered why there is none... only question is, which key?
ctr alt suppr :)
no seriously, don't know...
maybe if we could find a way to integrate inspector/explorer we could use "alt shift i"
"alt shift d" would be cool but it's duplicate which I've never used... do you ? useful though I guess... to copy paste code ;)
I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody else using it. Adrian
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody else using it.
Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is working on it. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
I just tried... Don't really know how to do slices also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize" see joined 2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>:
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody else using it.
Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is working on it.
Alexandre
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What you can also do is to create a changeset and attach it to the issue in the bug tracker. In the comment, please also note the initialization that is required. Adrian On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
I just tried...
Don't really know how to do slices
also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize"
see joined
2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>:
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody else using it.
Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is working on it.
Alexandre
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done I hope correctly... http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=628 initials are CB, is it ok or do I need to change to full name ? 2009/3/4 Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch>:
What you can also do is to create a changeset and attach it to the issue in the bug tracker. In the comment, please also note the initialization that is required.
Adrian
On Mar 4, 2009, at 16:34 , Cédrick Béler wrote:
I just tried...
Don't really know how to do slices
also, one need to do "ParagraphEditor initialize"
see joined
2009/3/4 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>:
I'd prefer a shortcut for "debug it"
I also suggest to change "alt shift d". I think it's the best shortcut. I've never used the old behavior, and never seen anybody else using it.
Would be great yes. Anyone working on it? I could do it if nobody is working on it.
Alexandre
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