Hi, The idea of Pharo Tasks is not to get things rigid and to stop the individuals from contributing. This should continue to happen. Instead, the idea is to start acknowledging that Pharo has became larger, and that the integration and drive of individual contributions has more dimensions that can be handled by the core group alone. So, the Pharo Task Force is a mechanism for teams to form around some larger topics. Like I said beforetime, I want to work on the IDE. This is a topic that is larger than one person can and should do. But, it is also a topic that requires integration of contributions, and it won't work by simply doing a union of choices. Just like now the Core team relentlessly cleans up the language and infrastructure, so should the IDE deserve a similar approach to get it strong and reinvented. People should know that this project exists and that they can contribute in a more organized way. This won't work by force. But, if someone wants to build/lead/integrate a project like this, I think it can work nicely. Cheers, Doru On 1 Jul 2011, at 13:08, Igor Stasenko wrote:

Are you trying to repeat experience of Squeak teams? I can remind you that they are never worked and failed in the end.

And i think that problem is that its hard to coordinate people which are located around the globe and their main tasks are completely different. Another reason is that you cannot enforce any kind of responsibility for delaying or not delivering , because we're talking about enthusiasts.

I believe that individual people with own vision and own, personal, agenda could do much more. If someone would like to voluntary coordinate some activities, i am all for it. Now this means that given person should have plan in his head and stick with it, and keep an eye, ask around, communicate, and of course try coordinate people. But is it really need to be formalized like that?

We, as community could discuss the agendas, and then a concrete steps to implement it. Now, its not really matters who will do it, as long as there enough people interested in helping with it. And its completely pointless to form groups of individuals, only to be listed as a group member on site and doing nothing (for whatever objective reason).

So, the right questions about any improvement, which we would like to see in future is: - do/why we need that - who can do that

if both of these questions can be answered positively, then it is only a matter of time for new feature to appear. And to my opinion, putting any kind of formality around it is completely orthogonal to what will happen in reality.

-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

-- www.tudorgirba.com "Some battles are better lost than fought."