[Pharo-project] Pharo beginner bugs ....
Beginners Bugs in Pharo 1.1 on Linux: In System Browser i choose Tools-Base->Workspace->initization->initialize and see code os := (Smalltalk platformName) hmmm. I open Shout Workspace, type Smalltalk pl ... and i get 'platformFamily' suggested. No 'platformName' offered by Shout completion mode. And: I cannot choose from other offers in suggestion list by clicking with mouse. Why? Linux Problem? Next example: In Shout Workspace i enter: TTSampleFontMorph new openInWorld. <ALT-P> I get an error and a ghostframe, that i cannot delete. And: Completion mode when i enter TTSample ... does not work. Fuck! What are you guys thinking of your work on Pharo, e.g. quality testing? Did you never notice, that even the basics of completion mode in Shout Browser are buggy? Then i open in World Menu: Tools->Filebrowser i get Error:Invalid utf8 input detected We need a perfectly running Pharo on Linux/Wine (Ubuntu 9.10). And no, no MAC here anywhere in schools in germany. Can you imagine, that a teacher and his pupils drive mad on such simple bugs? So i have to teach with SCRATCH or BYOB in class. No serious bugs, no problems. regards, Guido Stepken
Guido, I have at times opened files in binary mode to avoid encoding hassles. That said, I have noticed a BIG improvement with encoding in 1.1.1. I use Ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop and and (IIRC) 10.4 on my machine at home Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Guido Stepken [gstepken@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:15 AM To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] Pharo beginner bugs .... Beginners Bugs in Pharo 1.1 on Linux: In System Browser i choose Tools-Base->Workspace->initization->initialize and see code os := (Smalltalk platformName) hmmm. I open Shout Workspace, type Smalltalk pl ... and i get 'platformFamily' suggested. No 'platformName' offered by Shout completion mode. And: I cannot choose from other offers in suggestion list by clicking with mouse. Why? Linux Problem? Next example: In Shout Workspace i enter: TTSampleFontMorph new openInWorld. <ALT-P> I get an error and a ghostframe, that i cannot delete. And: Completion mode when i enter TTSample ... does not work. Fuck! What are you guys thinking of your work on Pharo, e.g. quality testing? Did you never notice, that even the basics of completion mode in Shout Browser are buggy? Then i open in World Menu: Tools->Filebrowser i get Error:Invalid utf8 input detected We need a perfectly running Pharo on Linux/Wine (Ubuntu 9.10). And no, no MAC here anywhere in schools in germany. Can you imagine, that a teacher and his pupils drive mad on such simple bugs? So i have to teach with SCRATCH or BYOB in class. No serious bugs, no problems. regards, Guido Stepken
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Guido Stepken wrote:
Beginners Bugs in Pharo 1.1 on Linux:
In System Browser i choose Tools-Base->Workspace->initization->initialize
and see code
os := (Smalltalk platformName)
hmmm.
I open Shout Workspace, type Smalltalk pl ... and i get 'platformFamily' suggested. No 'platformName' offered by Shout completion mode.
By default OCompletion only knows about methods in Kernel* and Collection* packages. SmalltalkImage is in System*. You can add extra packages by evaluating [OCompletionTable initializeWithPackages]. You could even write * as the filter, but it's very slow in Pharo 1.1 and OCompletion will lose most entries, because it only caches 40 methods per two letter prefix. I'm thinking about increasing that, because it's sometimes really annoying.
And: I cannot choose from other offers in suggestion list by clicking with mouse. Why?
When you're typing you rarely use the mouse. The arrows are more conventional. If you need that feature, then open an issue on the Pharo tracker.
Linux Problem?
Next example: In Shout Workspace i enter: TTSampleFontMorph new openInWorld. <ALT-P>
I get an error and a ghostframe, that i cannot delete. And: Completion mode
You could use the halos to delete it, but they are disabled in Pharo by default.
when i enter TTSample ... does not work. Fuck!
TTSamlpe* is in Morphic* (see above why that matters).
What are you guys thinking of your work on Pharo, e.g. quality testing?
Did you never notice, that even the basics of completion mode in Shout Browser are buggy?
Shout doesn't do code completion. If you're talking about the Alt-Q (Cmd-Q) completion, then it's really bugged in Pharo. If you think that you've found a bug in OCompletion, then open an issue in the Pharo issue tracker.
Then i open in World Menu: Tools->Filebrowser i get Error:Invalid utf8 input detected
We need a perfectly running Pharo on Linux/Wine (Ubuntu 9.10). And no, no MAC here anywhere in schools in germany.
Can you imagine, that a teacher and his pupils drive mad on such simple bugs?
So i have to teach with SCRATCH or BYOB in class. No serious bugs, no problems.
Are those bad? Levente
regards, Guido Stepken
I am pleased to see the explanation of OCompletion. I had noticed that it seemed to become smarter as I continued to work :). I too wished at times to use the mouse to select a completion, but after realizing it never seemed to work, I adapted and I find myself using the keyboard now without really thinking about it. That said, I think it is normal, especially for a newcomer, to expect that mouse selection should work wherever in the system a pop-up menu appears. This sort of feature (or lack of feature) does not make Pharo any easier for newcomers. TF On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Levente Uzonyi <leves@elte.hu> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Guido Stepken wrote:
Beginners Bugs in Pharo 1.1 on Linux:
In System Browser i choose Tools-Base->Workspace->initization->initialize
and see code
os := (Smalltalk platformName)
hmmm.
I open Shout Workspace, type Smalltalk pl ... and i get 'platformFamily' suggested. No 'platformName' offered by Shout completion mode.
By default OCompletion only knows about methods in Kernel* and Collection* packages. SmalltalkImage is in System*. You can add extra packages by evaluating [OCompletionTable initializeWithPackages]. You could even write * as the filter, but it's very slow in Pharo 1.1 and OCompletion will lose most entries, because it only caches 40 methods per two letter prefix. I'm thinking about increasing that, because it's sometimes really annoying.
And: I cannot choose from other offers in suggestion list by clicking with mouse. Why?
When you're typing you rarely use the mouse. The arrows are more conventional. If you need that feature, then open an issue on the Pharo tracker.
Linux Problem?
Next example: In Shout Workspace i enter: TTSampleFontMorph new openInWorld. <ALT-P>
I get an error and a ghostframe, that i cannot delete. And: Completion mode
You could use the halos to delete it, but they are disabled in Pharo by default.
when i enter TTSample ... does not work. Fuck!
TTSamlpe* is in Morphic* (see above why that matters).
What are you guys thinking of your work on Pharo, e.g. quality testing?
Did you never notice, that even the basics of completion mode in Shout Browser are buggy?
Shout doesn't do code completion. If you're talking about the Alt-Q (Cmd-Q) completion, then it's really bugged in Pharo. If you think that you've found a bug in OCompletion, then open an issue in the Pharo issue tracker.
Then i open in World Menu: Tools->Filebrowser i get Error:Invalid utf8 input detected
We need a perfectly running Pharo on Linux/Wine (Ubuntu 9.10). And no, no MAC here anywhere in schools in germany.
Can you imagine, that a teacher and his pupils drive mad on such simple bugs?
So i have to teach with SCRATCH or BYOB in class. No serious bugs, no problems.
Are those bad?
Levente
regards, Guido Stepken
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