Hi! Consider this piece of code: -=-=-=-=-=-= space := BlSpace new. space root layout: BlLinearLayout horizontal. 10 timesRepeat: [ | e | e := (BlRectangle new extent: 20 @ 20) asElement. e background: Color random. space root addChild: e. ]. space root children withIndexDo: [ :e :index | e translateBy: (index * 30) @ 10 ]. space show -=-=-=-=-=-= It produces the following: Apparently, the manual translation has no effect (which is okay, I am at the stage of understanding the semantics of Bloc). If I do not specify a layout, the translation works. Is there a way to have the layout, and still be able to manually translate the elements? I have the impression that yes, but not with the layouts provided currently? I have seen a demo of some roassal layouts in Bloc. Where are they? Can I play with them? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.