we are running dependencies breaking sprints....
Hi guys just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool). Stef
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort! Doru On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
I forgot to mention that people can help since we added a tahe pharo-bootstrap. Stef Le 15/8/15 10:53, Tudor Girba a écrit :
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort!
Doru
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com>
"Every thing has its own flow"
A "how to help with Pharo Bootstrap" article could help us help you ;) On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 4:49 PM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
I forgot to mention that people can help since we added a tahe pharo-bootstrap.
Stef
Le 15/8/15 10:53, Tudor Girba a écrit :
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort!
Doru
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
This is easy we are looking at dependencies using the dependency analyzer (available in the catalog) and looking at how to reduce dependencies. Often it is creating a separate package, providing an extension hook... Guille and Christophe started to add fogbugz entries for a first set of problems. Stef Le 15/8/15 16:32, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
A "how to help with Pharo Bootstrap" article could help us help you ;)
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 4:49 PM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
I forgot to mention that people can help since we added a tahe pharo-bootstrap.
Stef
Le 15/8/15 10:53, Tudor Girba a écrit :
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort!
Doru
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com>
"Every thing has its own flow"
ah ok thats much more clear thanks Stef will take a look at fogbugz :) On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 11:19 PM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
This is easy we are looking at dependencies using the dependency analyzer (available in the catalog) and looking at how to reduce dependencies. Often it is creating a separate package, providing an extension hook... Guille and Christophe started to add fogbugz entries for a first set of problems.
Stef
Le 15/8/15 16:32, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
A "how to help with Pharo Bootstrap" article could help us help you ;)
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 4:49 PM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
I forgot to mention that people can help since we added a tahe pharo-bootstrap.
Stef
Le 15/8/15 10:53, Tudor Girba a écrit :
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort!
Doru
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
what's a tahe? Le 15 août 2015 15:49, "stepharo" <stepharo@free.fr> a écrit :
I forgot to mention that people can help since we added a tahe pharo-bootstrap.
Stef
Le 15/8/15 10:53, Tudor Girba a écrit :
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort!
Doru
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
Le 15/08/2015 16:47, phil@highoctane.be a écrit :
what's a tahe?
I think he wanted to say "tag". On Fogbugz you have a category "Pharo Bootstrap".
Le 15 août 2015 15:49, "stepharo" <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> a écrit :
I forgot to mention that people can help since we added a tahe pharo-bootstrap.
Stef
Cyril
Yes! Thanks! This is valuable Alexandre
Le 15 août 2015 à 05:53, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> a écrit :
This is exciting. Thanks a lot for this effort!
Doru
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote: Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 4:50 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
Sounds like food for an academic paper - addressing one of the key complaints from detractors about Smalltalk. While you want to position Pharo as going beyond Smalltalk, reproducibility of an Image remains an argument available to detractors. cheers -ben
Boostrapping is removing a ton of black magic indeed. There will be not one Pharo but the Pharo one needs for a given purpose. That's awesome. Phil Le 15 août 2015 10:50, "stepharo" <stepharo@free.fr> a écrit :
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
Le 15/08/2015 10:50, stepharo a écrit :
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Yes! Thierry
Stef
yeap this is extremely important in making pharo far more flexible. It would be great if one day making custom images is just a few clicks away. Image fitting to the exact needs of its users instead of trying to cram everything into a single image. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 11:50 AM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
just to let you know that we run a dependencies breaking sprint yesterday and it was great. We will redo one or two. Our goal is to minimise the dependencies of adding Monticello to the pharo bootstrap. What I can tell you is that having a bootstrap is bringing an ***AMAZING*** level of cleaner design. I suspected it. But when we see the real cases this is obvious and really important. I will really open a complete new world for Pharo in terms of modularity (of course it will take time but this is really really cool).
Stef
participants (8)
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Alexandre Bergel -
Ben Coman -
Dimitris Chloupis -
Ferlicot D. Cyril -
phil＠highoctane.be -
stepharo -
Thierry Goubier -
Tudor Girba