how to completely ignore mouse wheel events?
Hi! Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not useful. With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future. Is there a way to easily unable them? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Ah, I wanted to write such a mail for a long time. With my apple bluetooth mouse I always have the effect that just being close to the mouse produces hundreds of events and pharo is willing to interpret em all. Thus giving me rotating browsers and flipping windows. Norbert Am 15.04.2014 um 15:36 schrieb Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com>:
Hi!
Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not useful. With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future.
Is there a way to easily unable them?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Can we disable side-scroll events? Iâm using trackpad and⦠you know what happens. Uko On 15 Apr 2014, at 16:50, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
Ah,
I wanted to write such a mail for a long time. With my apple bluetooth mouse I always have the effect that just being close to the mouse produces hundreds of events and pharo is willing to interpret em all. Thus giving me rotating browsers and flipping windows.
Norbert
Am 15.04.2014 um 15:36 schrieb Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com>:
Hi!
Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not useful. With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future.
Is there a way to easily unable them?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
I have modified the following methods HandMorph>>generateKeyboardEvent: evtBuf ScrollPane>>scrollByKeyboard: event The effect is now milder. Esteban, would it make sense to remove the event generation bu the VM? This works only for the old-style mouse with an actual wheel. Mighty mouse does not work at all with Pharo. We have to get this right. Emulation of events is a bad idea. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Apr 15, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hi!
Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not useful. With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future.
Is there a way to easily unable them?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Hi, On 17 Apr 2014, at 17:02, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
I have modified the following methods HandMorph>>generateKeyboardEvent: evtBuf ScrollPane>>scrollByKeyboard: event
The effect is now milder.
Esteban, would it make sense to remove the event generation bu the VM? This works only for the old-style mouse with an actual wheel. Mighty mouse does not work at all with Pharo.
no, that does not has sense. We need it. What we need is to improve the events we have, not to remove them. Less than 0.1% of computer-using mankind uses mighty mouse. The rest uses regular mouses with old-fashion wheels (or trackpads, like myself). So, removing is not a good idea. Not for VM, not for Pharo, and certainly not for Moose either. Improve is the way to go :)
We have to get this right. Emulation of events is a bad idea.
Yes! I agree and the way we are following is to remove emulation and transmit just raw events to the image (and let the image do the work of handling them). Now it will take time, but we are going in that direction. cheers, Esteban ps: btw⦠scroll events also has problems in wheel-mouses, but those, Iâm not sure is a problem of VM or Pharo⦠I need to go deeper then (any insight would be cool) :)
Alexandre
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Apr 15, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hi!
Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not useful. With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future.
Is there a way to easily unable them?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On 17 Apr 2014, at 18:13, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On 17 Apr 2014, at 17:02, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
I have modified the following methods HandMorph>>generateKeyboardEvent: evtBuf ScrollPane>>scrollByKeyboard: event
The effect is now milder.
Esteban, would it make sense to remove the event generation bu the VM? This works only for the old-style mouse with an actual wheel. Mighty mouse does not work at all with Pharo.
no, that does not has sense. We need it. What we need is to improve the events we have, not to remove them. Less than 0.1% of computer-using mankind uses mighty mouse. The rest uses regular mouses with old-fashion wheels (or trackpads, like myself). So, removing is not a good idea. Not for VM, not for Pharo, and certainly not for Moose either. Improve is the way to go :)
We have to get this right. Emulation of events is a bad idea.
Yes! I agree and the way we are following is to remove emulation and transmit just raw events to the image (and let the image do the work of handling them). Now it will take time, but we are going in that direction.
ah, forget to say: I have a lot of expectation around Ronie's work on SDL2 and OSWindow interface. I provide as much support as I can.
cheers, Esteban
ps: btw⦠scroll events also has problems in wheel-mouses, but those, Iâm not sure is a problem of VM or Pharo⦠I need to go deeper then (any insight would be cool) :)
Alexandre
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Apr 15, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
Hi!
Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not useful. With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future.
Is there a way to easily unable them?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
2014-04-17 18:13 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
Hi,
On 17 Apr 2014, at 17:02, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:
I have modified the following methods HandMorph>>generateKeyboardEvent: evtBuf ScrollPane>>scrollByKeyboard: event
The effect is now milder.
Esteban, would it make sense to remove the event generation bu the VM? This works only for the old-style mouse with an actual wheel. Mighty mouse does not work at all with Pharo.
no, that does not has sense. We need it. What we need is to improve the events we have, not to remove them. Less than 0.1% of computer-using mankind uses mighty mouse. The rest uses regular mouses with old-fashion wheels (or trackpads, like myself). So, removing is not a good idea. Not for VM, not for Pharo, and certainly not for Moose either. Improve is the way to go :)
I'm in the 0.1% and though I handle the mouse as carefully as if it were a bubble of soap, those events are still popping in my face. Sadly, the impression is that it takes minutes to break and ages to fix... I hope the improvement is really decisive for the rest of the world, otherwise I'd like to say if you can't fix it, don't change it.
We have to get this right. Emulation of events is a bad idea.
Yes! I agree and the way we are following is to remove emulation and transmit just raw events to the image (and let the image do the work of handling them). Now it will take time, but we are going in that direction.
cheers, Esteban
ps: btw⦠scroll events also has problems in wheel-mouses, but those, Iâm not sure is a problem of VM or Pharo⦠I need to go deeper then (any insight would be cool) :)
Alexandre
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Apr 15, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com>
wrote:
Hi!
Mouse wheel events are so poorly handled in Pharo, that they are not
useful.
With Ronie we are seeing how we can better handle events with a window generated with SDL. But this is for the future.
Is there a way to easily unable them?
Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
I have modified the following methods HandMorph>>generateKeyboardEvent: evtBuf ScrollPane>>scrollByKeyboard: event
The effect is now milder.
Esteban, would it make sense to remove the event generation bu the VM? This works only for the old-style mouse with an actual wheel. Mighty mouse does not work at all with Pharo.
We have to get this right. Emulation of events is a bad idea.
yes but we have to have time and money for that :) If fernando would not have left like a thief it was on his roadmap. Stef
Alexandre
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