Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse
Sept. 27, 2008
3:44 p.m.
Damien, Stef, I _think_ what I would want for a starting point is something like Damien's web image, followed by a script that gets the latest of a few things, specific versions of others, and then loads a bunch of .cs or other files for my code. Damien, I suspect you put a lot of work into preparing your images, so please do not view this as anything other than gratitude driving some suggestions. With proper selection of browser and (sorry<g>) deactivating eCompletion, I very much enjoy your web image as a starting point. Whether I continue using it will depend on how hard it is to install Polymorph and the RB vs. Seaside and friends. Call me demanding, I want it all :) Installer can probably (either now or with some refinement) reduce Polymorph (which appears to be on its way into the Pharo base anyway???) and Seaside to one-liners in a script. Ditto cryptography. Add some lines to load .cs or whatever files I create on my own, and I should be able to download an image, and then run one script that builds the new image. I will stop short of asking you to manually keep up with the small releases, as I probably would end up waiting for the October release before building a new image. It would however be great to either reduce what you do to a simple script, or have it aggressively track updates once Pharo is officially released. >From a gradually decreasing distance at least, Installer looks like it is trying to fill a gap. As always, I would like to see Pharo sprout an ability to apply multiple categories per method; Dolphin has done that from (almost?) the beginning, and it is quite addictive. My point being that however clever, systems that take the one available category to package methods make the restriction all the more obvious. I hope that makes some sense. Thanks to all for what is shaping up to be a nice system! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.cassou@gmail.com 09/26/08 11:03 AM >>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: > - For example I would like to have a real look at MC1.6 but the > message around it is blurry MC1.6 is not the topic here. > I tried LFP and it broke on me. It worked fine for me. You may want to try again and send bug report to Keith who answered all my emails. > - I like installer but when I look at the code I would like to refactor it. The code may not be perfect but it works fine. I don't think Keith would ignore our enhancements to his code. > - There is no document in a nice format that explain why and how (i'm > fixing that for installer and I was waiting because I will refactor it else I do not publish the chapter but I did not want to insult keith since this is not the point since I like installer). This is not fair. There is "no document in a nice format that explains" most of the tools you use everyday. But you still use them. The more people use a tool, the best chance you have to get documentation. Moreover, Keith and Matthew wrote a lot of things in pbwiki, squeak wiki and mailing lists. > - unknown is strange :) Should not be for us Squeakers and Pharoers. > - So if you want to help me I would love to have a > - Installer code refactored > - Installer chapter > - Sake (have a look at the code) > - Sake Chapter for the book I would love that too -- Damien Cassou Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)
Sept. 28, 2008
9:38 a.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse
Hi Bill, I'm not sure I understand your email completly. Please tell me if it is not the case. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Bill Schwab <BSchwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Damien, I suspect you put a lot of work into preparing your images, so please do not view this as anything other than gratitude driving some suggestions. With proper selection of browser and (sorry<g>) deactivating eCompletion, I very much enjoy your web image as a starting point. Whether I continue using it will depend on how hard it is to install Polymorph and the RB vs. Seaside and friends. Polymorph is going to be included in all Pharo images so you don't have to worry. RB as been in all my images from the beginning and will continue to be. I think I will stop generating web images for Pharo because we want only one image for Pharo. I will try to find a way to make installing Seaside easy. > Call me demanding, I want it all :) Installer can probably (either now or with some refinement) reduce Polymorph (which appears to be on its way into the Pharo base anyway???) and Seaside to one-liners in a script. Ditto cryptography. Add some lines to load .cs or whatever files I create on my own, and I should be able to download an image, and then run one script that builds the new image. > > I will stop short of asking you to manually keep up with the small releases, as I probably would end up waiting for the October release before building a new image. It would however be great to either reduce what you do to a simple script, or have it aggressively track updates once Pharo is officially released. I'm sorry but I do not understand this paragraph. > >From a gradually decreasing distance at least, Installer looks like it is trying to fill a gap. As always, I would like to see Pharo sprout an ability to apply multiple categories per method; Dolphin has done that from (almost?) the beginning, and it is quite addictive. My point being that however clever, systems that take the one available category to package methods make the restriction all the more obvious. > > I hope that makes some sense. Thanks to all for what is shaping up to be a nice system! > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 273-6785 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > >>>> damien.cassou@gmail.com 09/26/08 11:03 AM >>> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: >> - For example I would like to have a real look at MC1.6 but the >> message around it is blurry > > MC1.6 is not the topic here. > >> I tried LFP and it broke on me. > > It worked fine for me. You may want to try again and send bug report > to Keith who answered all my emails. > >> - I like installer but when I look at the code I would like to refactor it. > > > The code may not be perfect but it works fine. I don't think Keith > would ignore our enhancements to his code. > > >> - There is no document in a nice format that explain why and how (i'm >> fixing that for installer and I was waiting because I will refactor it else I do not publish the chapter but I did not want to insult keith since this is not the point since I like installer). > > > This is not fair. There is "no document in a nice format that > explains" most of the tools you use everyday. But you still use them. > The more people use a tool, the best chance you have to get > documentation. Moreover, Keith and Matthew wrote a lot of things in > pbwiki, squeak wiki and mailing lists. > > >> - unknown is strange :) > > Should not be for us Squeakers and Pharoers. > >> - So if you want to help me I would love to have a >> - Installer code refactored >> - Installer chapter >> - Sake (have a look at the code) >> - Sake Chapter for the book > > I would love that too > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Cassou Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)
10:36 a.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse
Damien Cassou writes:
Polymorph is going to be included in all Pharo images so you don't have to worry. RB as been in all my images from the beginning and will continue to be. I think I will stop generating web images for Pharo because we want only one image for Pharo. I will try to find a way to make installing Seaside easy.
I install Seaside into squeak-dev images using Universes, it's a one-click install. Bryce
12:50 p.m.
New subject: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alphauniverse
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM, <bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Damien Cassou writes:
Polymorph is going to be included in all Pharo images so you don't have to worry. RB as been in all my images from the beginning and will continue to be. I think I will stop generating web images for Pharo because we want only one image for Pharo. I will try to find a way to make installing Seaside easy.
I install Seaside into squeak-dev images using Universes, it's a one-click install.
It won't be for long, see the first post of this thread. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der Ahé: «I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luck». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)
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