[Pharo-project] Crashes: Pharo 1.3 + Cog VM 13307
Hi, I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months. Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email. Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes. If I experience this, probably other are too⦠cheers, Johan
thanks johan doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes? Stef On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site. cheers, Esteban El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it. Stef On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu... cheers, Esteban El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
On 21 Dec 2011, at 22:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
Beautiful ! Finally ;-) I just changed the bundle name to plain 'Pharo' in the plist to match the executable's name (I didn't like the long 'Pharo (Cocoa) 32-bits' ;-) Thx ! Sven
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:59p.m., Sven Van Caekenberghe escribió:
On 21 Dec 2011, at 22:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
glad you like it :)
Beautiful !
Finally ;-)
I just changed the bundle name to plain 'Pharo' in the plist to match the executable's name (I didn't like the long 'Pharo (Cocoa) 32-bits' ;-)
yeah... I should do that for next version :) best, Esteban
Hi Esteban, Looks nice ! I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot). I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers. On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
The 'about' window tells me a bit more: "Pharo VM 6.0-pre (21.0)" On 21/12/11 14:28, Francois Stephany wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Looks nice ! I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot).
I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers.
On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
Hi, I'm means: "it should be version 6.0, but I'm still not confortable declaring it a production version"... so is a "pre-release". :P and yes, I know what you feel about version numbers... we (guys working with vm) should find an unique versioning number. But is hard, right now we have this different numbering: 1) Eliot has his own version number (I think based on svn commit version) 2) Each platform (Linux, Windows and Mac) has his own versioning too. 3) There are also 4.x versions alive (for mac, at least) I also don't know what does each version means (3.8 for unix, etc.). I named cocoa versions 6.x because older versions based on carbon where 5.x, so I thought: changing from carbon to cocoa is important enough to have a new major version... but I dunno. And I don't know how can be merged anytime soon... :( best, Esteban El 21/12/2011, a las 7:28p.m., Francois Stephany escribió:
Hi Esteban,
Looks nice ! I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot).
I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers.
On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
Ow ok ! I didn't know the numbering scheme and was wondering where the "6" came from. Thanks for the overview :) Anyway, thanks for your work on the VMs! We just need to get better at public relations ;) On 21/12/11 14:44, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
Hi,
I'm means: "it should be version 6.0, but I'm still not confortable declaring it a production version"... so is a "pre-release". :P
and yes, I know what you feel about version numbers... we (guys working with vm) should find an unique versioning number. But is hard, right now we have this different numbering:
1) Eliot has his own version number (I think based on svn commit version) 2) Each platform (Linux, Windows and Mac) has his own versioning too. 3) There are also 4.x versions alive (for mac, at least)
I also don't know what does each version means (3.8 for unix, etc.). I named cocoa versions 6.x because older versions based on carbon where 5.x, so I thought: changing from carbon to cocoa is important enough to have a new major version... but I dunno.
And I don't know how can be merged anytime soon... :(
best, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 7:28p.m., Francois Stephany escribió:
Hi Esteban,
Looks nice ! I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot).
I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers.
On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
and yes, I know what you feel about version numbers... we (guys working with vm) should find an unique versioning number. But is hard, right now we have this different numbering:
1) Eliot has his own version number (I think based on svn commit version) 2) Each platform (Linux, Windows and Mac) has his own versioning too. 3) There are also 4.x versions alive (for mac, at least)
I also don't know what does each version means (3.8 for unix, etc.). I named cocoa versions 6.x because older versions based on carbon where 5.x, so I thought: changing from carbon to cocoa is important enough to have a new major version... but I dunno.
The old numbering system came from pre-Pharo days, when the VM was just for Squeak. In those days, the VM number was meant to sync with the current Squeak image release - so vm 3.8 for Unix was the VM that accompanied the Squeak 3.8 release, compiled for the Unix platform. Each platform (and, indeed, each variant - such as Cocoa/Carbon) would use the same main version number, but with some other distinction built on (and these did change by platform). Eliot's VM now supports a wide range of roughly compatible Smalltalks (or near smalltalks), such as Pharo, Squeak, Croquet, Cuis, Newspeak, and probably others. In that environment, with each near-smalltalk having their own numbering schemes, the old numbering convention just doesn't make sense. So, his using the apparent SVN commit number makes as much sense as anything - probably a lot more than some. As for what you should call the Pharo branded and tweaked versions, that is obviously up to you. I would suggest finding something that makes it easy for us users to figure out which version of the PharoVM works with which Pharo image, if possible. -Chris
Thanks for the explanation, Chris. I was thinking on using some of the eliot versions with my own builds, like this: 2222.01, and maybe unix/windows guys could do the same, so we need a prefix, something like 2222.M01 for mac, U01 for unix, W01 for windows... ... or something like that. Anyway... this discussion borns in pharo list, but concerns more to vm-dev list. I'm copying email there :) cheers, Esteban El 21/12/2011, a las 9:28p.m., Chris Cunningham escribió:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
and yes, I know what you feel about version numbers... we (guys working with vm) should find an unique versioning number. But is hard, right now we have this different numbering:
1) Eliot has his own version number (I think based on svn commit version) 2) Each platform (Linux, Windows and Mac) has his own versioning too. 3) There are also 4.x versions alive (for mac, at least)
I also don't know what does each version means (3.8 for unix, etc.). I named cocoa versions 6.x because older versions based on carbon where 5.x, so I thought: changing from carbon to cocoa is important enough to have a new major version... but I dunno.
The old numbering system came from pre-Pharo days, when the VM was just for Squeak. In those days, the VM number was meant to sync with the current Squeak image release - so vm 3.8 for Unix was the VM that accompanied the Squeak 3.8 release, compiled for the Unix platform. Each platform (and, indeed, each variant - such as Cocoa/Carbon) would use the same main version number, but with some other distinction built on (and these did change by platform).
Eliot's VM now supports a wide range of roughly compatible Smalltalks (or near smalltalks), such as Pharo, Squeak, Croquet, Cuis, Newspeak, and probably others. In that environment, with each near-smalltalk having their own numbering schemes, the old numbering convention just doesn't make sense. So, his using the apparent SVN commit number makes as much sense as anything - probably a lot more than some.
As for what you should call the Pharo branded and tweaked versions, that is obviously up to you. I would suggest finding something that makes it easy for us users to figure out which version of the PharoVM works with which Pharo image, if possible.
-Chris
Sorry to annoy you with yet another stupid question but how can I know from which CogVM the current Cocoa one is based on? I'd like to know if the VM I use on my development machine (a mac) is close to the one I have on my linux servers. Or should I use the same Eliot VMs on both environments to avoid surprises ? On 21/12/11 14:44, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
Hi,
I'm means: "it should be version 6.0, but I'm still not confortable declaring it a production version"... so is a "pre-release". :P
and yes, I know what you feel about version numbers... we (guys working with vm) should find an unique versioning number. But is hard, right now we have this different numbering:
1) Eliot has his own version number (I think based on svn commit version) 2) Each platform (Linux, Windows and Mac) has his own versioning too. 3) There are also 4.x versions alive (for mac, at least)
I also don't know what does each version means (3.8 for unix, etc.). I named cocoa versions 6.x because older versions based on carbon where 5.x, so I thought: changing from carbon to cocoa is important enough to have a new major version... but I dunno.
And I don't know how can be merged anytime soon... :(
best, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 7:28p.m., Francois Stephany escribió:
Hi Esteban,
Looks nice ! I'm wondering however what does version "Pharo VM 6.0-pre" mean (see screenshot).
I'm (again) lost in all those version numbers.
On 21/12/11 13:41, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
I also don't know how to update site :( but latest working vm (with pharo icons :) is here:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/lastSuccessfulBu...
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
-- http://tulipemoutarde.be BE: +32 (0)65 709 131 CA: +1 778 558 3225
btw... the bug was present also on other platforms, so... latest vm from unix would be: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Cog-Unix/lastSuccessfulBuild/art... I can create a pharo branded build (like I did for mac) for saturday. Also, we don't have jenkins for windows, but I can compile one in my machine (also with pharo icons) and upload it somewhere (you have to tell me where) also on saturday :) cheers, Esteban El 21/12/2011, a las 6:35p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
I do not know how to update the web site. Now do you have a link on the working vm because we can add it to the forge and link to it.
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
yes... that version is old, and it has a bug who is fixed now. Maybe we should update pharo site.
cheers, Esteban
El 21/12/2011, a las 6:05p.m., Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
thanks johan
doing what? on which platform? mac? Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
Stef
On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi,
I have been running Pharo 1.3 (#13315) with a pre-built Cog VM's downloaded from Eliot's site in a reliable manner (i.e. very few crashes) for many months.
Just last week, I decided to try the Cog VM that is served from the Pharo website (Cog VM Mac-13307) and I am experiencing continuous crashes of the image. I am attaching a dump to this email.
Once I switched back to the latest VM served on Eliot's site (VM.r2522), I stopped experiencing these crashes.
If I experience this, probably other are tooâ¦
cheers, Johan
<crash.dmp>
On 21 Dec 2011, at 22:51, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
btw... the bug was present also on other platforms, so... latest vm from unix would be:
https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Cog-Unix/lastSuccessfulBuild/art...
I can create a pharo branded build (like I did for mac) for saturday.
Yeah, I like it better when I can say ./pharo pharo-1.3.image and when that appears in the ps tables ;-) But it is not a deal breaker. Sven
On 21 Dec 2011, at 22:05, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
doing what? Just serving a Seaside app (but that makes it a quite broad 'cause') I was hoping the crashlog points out where the problem is.
on which platform? mac? Yes, mac (it's mentioned in my email ;-)
Did you try the latest version on jenkins because esteban merged changes?
not yet, I just downloaded that one too and will try. My main point is that these two artefacts are the ones who are offered directly on the Pharo website. So people trying it, will probably experience these things to. By downloading another VM, my problem was solved, but not everybody knows about all these different options. So, I will try the latest VM from jenkins and let you know⦠thanks for the feedback! Johan
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